Concord, Massachusetts happenings
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how polite. maybe 15 years ago, guys putting in a trail (with many wooden features, etc) up at wilson creek (grandfather district of pisgah) were arrested, bikes confiscated, fined, and banned from the forest for life.
The article they wrote about it said that the ban was for five years, as I recall... I'm trying to find the exact location of the cited parcels out of curiosity.
yes, maybe not lifetime...there's mentions of it on RM. was a group called the hick hucksters. the judge was a cyclist. location was roughly here: Dropped pin
Near Upper Creek, NC
35°56'05.6"N 81°47'52.4"W
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I meant the parcels in Concord, MA...yes, maybe not lifetime...there's mentions of it on RM. was a group called the hick hucksters. the judge was a cyclist. location was roughly here: Dropped pin
Near Upper Creek, NC
35°56'05.6"N 81°47'52.4"W
yes...but the trails are much better in wilson creek than concord 
look at that topo
look at that topo
So how this goes down at my job is that failure to reply often means non-cooperation and they'll pursue an enforcement case "to the full extent of the law". If you contact them within that time, they may lessen the penalty, make it a fine or whatever, but the last sentence can obviously cover a wide range of "steps". No one wants to self-incriminate either. That's also usually what they try to discuss at the "next steps", where it's wise to say as little as possible, but if they truly don't have anything or you truly have an explanation, it's also wise to put that out there, since it can squash it relatively early on. Usually at such a meeting they will discuss the evidence. They are also usually skilled investigators with a slew of questions ready. It may be a good thing to hire a lawyer for. If I were in the same situation, I'd at least contact "Delia" and have her explain the letter to you. Be as vague as possible. Say you'd like an explanation of it and what it means and how it's resolved. Don't go into specifics about the event or details of the alleged action at all. Just what their processes are and what they mean. Hell, ask them what "steps" means. That would probably be my #1 question. If they are being intentionally vague or misleading, be sure to capture that in your own signed statement (write such statement as close as possible to when you have this conversation).
They sent the letter certified return receipt and regular mail, which means even if you didn't sign for the one copy, they would presume that you've been served based on not having the regular mail version returned, which sounds to me like they want to assess a civil penalty. Be wary of the lawyers too, sometimes they'll play this "well, I'll tell the Town to put all their correspondence to me"-game and the official entity (Town) has no inclination or requirement to do so, so they just keep sending to you and it ends up looking like you are not cooperative, which they check off as an aggravating factor and up the penalty, vs. the lawyer actually talking to them on your behalf and trying to seek out a more beneficial outcome.
They sent the letter certified return receipt and regular mail, which means even if you didn't sign for the one copy, they would presume that you've been served based on not having the regular mail version returned, which sounds to me like they want to assess a civil penalty. Be wary of the lawyers too, sometimes they'll play this "well, I'll tell the Town to put all their correspondence to me"-game and the official entity (Town) has no inclination or requirement to do so, so they just keep sending to you and it ends up looking like you are not cooperative, which they check off as an aggravating factor and up the penalty, vs. the lawyer actually talking to them on your behalf and trying to seek out a more beneficial outcome.
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I would do what they say and use it as an opportunity to start the how to go legit conversation. Alot depends on any prior relationships or interactions. Thats the way the cookie crumbles. Unauthorized trail building is inherently risky.
That's fast mail service if it was typed out, mailed and delivered on the same day.
Would be interesting to know how they pinned it down to him. Got reported? Reported and social media evidence?
At least he doesnt have a bylaw officer or police knocking on his door with a large ticket, while a bulldozer is flattening whatever he did and destroying his tools. That's what would happen up here in most cases (after a stern warning to gtfo)...
Also why if you're building jumps or anything like that, ya really have to do it in a spot that doesnt have any sort of regular traffic. You'll eventually get caught...
Would be interesting to know how they pinned it down to him. Got reported? Reported and social media evidence?
At least he doesnt have a bylaw officer or police knocking on his door with a large ticket, while a bulldozer is flattening whatever he did and destroying his tools. That's what would happen up here in most cases (after a stern warning to gtfo)...
Also why if you're building jumps or anything like that, ya really have to do it in a spot that doesnt have any sort of regular traffic. You'll eventually get caught...
I'm guessing that none of this is major; my ex-brother in law is going to try to get over and scope it on the ground, just because I'm nosy.
42.432308, -71.395112
Mail is pretty damn fast for something that's just going local, like next day. 5 business days is pretty lousy though (to respond). I usually see 7 or 10 more often.
When wetlands are triggered in MA, you are in deep shit. We take them moist mosquito breeding grounds seriously here.
Haven't been here that long but laws aren't really enforced in this corner the world. Some dumbasses built a skate bowl In a bird sanctuary a few hundred yards away from an actual skate park, no one was charged but some folks got sued.
www.seattletimes.com
Seattle sues Capitol Hill skateboard shop over illicit skate bowl built on Green Lake’s Duck Island
The bowl was erected without proper authorization as part of a contest sponsored by Nike SB and TransWorld SKATEboarding Magazine.
www.seattletimes.com
Concord is a small town.
Fuck'em. Make them prove the existence of a trail altered the wetland and its biological function.
God I hate the east coast and all their little municipal conservation confusion.
God I hate the east coast and all their little municipal conservation confusion.
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shit that's minutes from my house, and it's right off the bruce freeman rail trail. I better GET OVER THERE before they tear it all down
Update:
"The Natural Resources Director, Delia Kaye, is the person who sent the letter to the guy who built the trail.
She later learned that the Trails Committee had told him it would be OK to build a dirt bike trail.
She is miffed because she says there is a sacred principal that all town owned land must be open to everybody. So, facilities only accessible to a minority are not allowed."
"The Natural Resources Director, Delia Kaye, is the person who sent the letter to the guy who built the trail.
She later learned that the Trails Committee had told him it would be OK to build a dirt bike trail.
She is miffed because she says there is a sacred principal that all town owned land must be open to everybody. So, facilities only accessible to a minority are not allowed."
