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You tell me? I was skimming over a rock garden and heard an extra sound. I could have kept riding it for a while likely but it had cracked down both sides of an eyelet.
Hey it appeared your reference to hacks killing strong rims due to their belief in low pressures was directed towards me. Just trying to state the facts.
Damn that's rough luck. I've run them for a few years now and I think they're actually tougher than the 500-series DTs.
wait a minute - define "skimming".... Like Nathan Rennie "skim" or we talking Loic Bruni "skim"?
I mean tuck and pull up a little, stay loose and let the bike move around underneath you.
Nope. You took that role upon yourself entirely voluntarliy.
In a way it's fairly irrelevant where you heard the rim go as cracks around rim eyelets generally happen through stress and fatigue.I mean tuck and pull up a little, stay loose and let the bike move around underneath you.
Ie. the stress/fatigue would already have been there and the cracks were simply waiting to happen.
this happened to one of my rims last week
At the actual point of failure I was simply doing a cutty on level gravel.
It was a a cheap WTB rim that's a few years old and has thousands of EMTB miles on it so fair enough.
If it had been newish, well built and def not built with uneven or too high spoke tension. Like you I probably wouldn't consider running the same rim again. But I notice you didn't actually give any of that detail in your complaint about the weakness of your 471
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I agree with you who knows what initiated the crack or when. I just remember when it actually gave way. Also, I never had any complaints about the 471 until one died. I built 3 wheelsets around the 471 and still have one on my singlespeed. I don't think I'll ever kill that wheelset.
Even when it failed I didn't really complain because it held air and spun more or less true. I finished my ride and probably could have kept going.
If something on my bike breaks just riding along, I stop investing in it.
On that note, over the years, this is what has dictated what I ride more than anything else. Pro's run what they gets hooked up. If I got free shit and it was durable I would run whatever I could get my hands on. I pay for my stuff though and I don't like breaking it. Who cares what some DH racing foolio's run? I ride bikes I can afford and I know won't break, that suit my style and terrain.
It seems to me the whole "article" stems from someone laughing at the PB dude for having a too long bike so he left hurt and tries to justify it. Yes following pros blindly is dumb but learning from them is not a bad idea. Steve at Vorsprung has criticized some too long frames in the past (creating some angry Pole people in the process) with some pretty good reasoning and while the old bikes were too short it really seems we are trying to repeat the mistakes of too wide bars. The pros realized it first when they went back to 750-760mm for normal sized pros when most people in the forums were still running 800mm love sausages.
And the argument that "but well Gregg rides the biggest bikes possible - well V10s are still not the longest bikes out there and the dude is tall. How is that a surprise? Next thing PB will tell us surprising news Florian Payet is wearing a hokey cup and how they don't understand why he does that.
Re. Tire Pressure. What's wrong with that psi?
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Normal Joeys also tend to like fully open, no damping settings. The amount of ohlins shocks you can buy here because rich kids can't set them up and are mad they don't work like a 2007 Fox DHX 5.0. Hell even fast pros 10+ years ago sometimes liked no damping.
Go ride a lot of bikes. Figure out what works for you. Profit.
impossible. I am dumb as they come
It would be awesome if you were a pro and you had fanboys/fandentists who spent a bunch of money to ride bodged up hoopties.
I have one made of real steel, good enough for me.
The problem to me is that there are few opportunities for most of us to ride a range of different bikes, frame sizes, and parts without basically just buying examples of everything Sure, there is the occasional demo day, but it's generally one brand, little time on likely a single bike, minimal opportunity to adjust or change anything. Do I hate this frame or is it tire pressure, suspension setup, bar roll, etc that's not working for me? Seems like a business could be made out of replicating a pro "test day" with a range of available bikes, parts, and some level of setup guidance, maybe even with some level of data acq.
Looks cool, but I want to be able to try different frames, sizes, bars etc as well. Also...UK.
I think Mojo offered that if you bought one of their frames. You didn't specify the country.
Yeah plus also a lot of the demo bikes tend to have uncut bars so you don't get the setup you'd use normaly on non 800mm bars.
But I had the same problems.
Then again I don't think you should have problems deciding in 2022 when at any given time a maximum of 2 bikes to chose are available for sale.
Whenever I demo bikes, I try to do my research ahead of time and figure out according to mfg charts a couple of possible suspension settings (usually right on my actual riding weight and +10 lbs to account for taste). And note ahead of time what my preferred saddle distance from BB, brake angle, etc.
But yeah, demo bikes coming with 800 bars sucks. I'm currently using my buddy's ebike while he's out injured with 780 bars and my hands are naturally grabbing the inner edge of the grips cause I'm so used to 760.
But yeah, demo bikes coming with 800 bars sucks. I'm currently using my buddy's ebike while he's out injured with 780 bars and my hands are naturally grabbing the inner edge of the grips cause I'm so used to 760.
Bad body position is still bad body position. Not to mention you will still subconsciously grab wider unless you force yourself with grips not at bar ends. Those super wide bars were less of an issue where Top Tubes were tiny but now they just limit your movement on the bike in a bad way. Especially if you are not a burly person. I have normal wingspan for my height but narrow shoulders so for me those 800mm bars are wack. They tire me more and it's harder to move your weight back on the steeps.
I don't have bad positioning. Thanks. But I do have old skool body positioning. (loves rear wheel) as I still don't own a single bike with longer than 435mm reach or 29" wheels. I'm 5'11" and am burly with wide shoulders and overhang my pinkie knuckles over the end cap of my grips (as wide as you can possibly comfortably place them). and I run 775mm (grip endcap to grip end cap) on my normal mtbs and 785mm on my Emtb.
Unsurprisingly Emtbs are far more maneuverable in sizes with shorter reach and wheelbase and smaller wheels but even sized down are still inheriently more stable than normal bikes due to the low and central extra 6kg of weight from the motor and battery. a few mm more on bar width helps with leverage for all that extra weight.
I bet you struggle to manual your bike too.
I'd rather give up mtb entirely than run a bike size I struggle to manual.
'be shite if we were aw the same
Unsurprisingly Emtbs are far more maneuverable in sizes with shorter reach and wheelbase and smaller wheels but even sized down are still inheriently more stable than normal bikes due to the low and central extra 6kg of weight from the motor and battery. a few mm more on bar width helps with leverage for all that extra weight.
I bet you struggle to manual your bike too.
I'd rather give up mtb entirely than run a bike size I struggle to manual.
'be shite if we were aw the same
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I didn't say you have bad positioning. I am saying a bad position doesn't stop being bad just beause your bike is heavy. Yes an ebike might be more stable same geo but you still end up with less manoverability back and forth and too stretched. You just don't feel it because 10mm wider bars are not the difference I was talking about. Especially if you tend to run your bikes short. What I was speaking about is modern geo + super wide bars seems like a bad mix and just beause something is an ebike doesn't fix the sprawled body position on them.
Also what "I bet you struggle to manual your bike too"? What? Where did you get that.
From you saying
But it's obviiously not the bar width alone. it's a combination of the bar width and a far longer bike.
and far longer bikes are a lot more effort to pop the front. Eebs even more so
i meant with the wide bars.
But it's obviiously not the bar width alone. it's a combination of the bar width and a far longer bike.
and far longer bikes are a lot more effort to pop the front. Eebs even more so
I've got a short friend on 820mm wide bars.
Not the widest shoulders, decent tt length for him.
He says he likes it. Looks awful, riding with arms fully extended all the time I don't get it.
I tell him all the time I have a pipe cutter he can borrow.
Yeah but that's why I didn't buy a super long bar and why I will cut my bars to 780 and then maybe even 760mm. Steve at Vorsprung had a good video on bike length and fore aft COG you would probably appreciate (the one that got Pole guy kinda grumpy).
My comments were more about bikes I have tried before I decided to jump the enduro bandwagon. Rode quite a few to know what I want which is probably longer than what you like but still shorter than the hype train is at about. Weirdly I also prefer longer chain stays and my new bike doesn't have them but with 2022 availability and nearly no companies doing CS length right I had no choice.
I get your manualing comment but to me being able to maintain proper weight balance on the steep parts is more important. I felt it really hard in Madeira 2 years ago when on some steep sections I could ride them but it was much more sketchy than it should be. My body was literally forced into 1 possible position and I wasn't even riding the longest bike. Just a long one with 800mm bars. I want to avoid that situation more than avoid not being able to manual since that situation generally leads to more danger on the trails.
He likes it because he hasn't done back to back testing. So probably the bike is nice and he assumes bars are a part of what makes it nice and not something that stops the bike from being even nicer. I remember when I was still racing downhill I've seen some tiny juniors on 800-820 bars and it perplexed me. Even on old short dh bikes this made no sense. Not only you lose control but it tires your upper body faster. Almost as bad as too short bikes killing your legs and back because you look like a fetus
I'm lucky enough to get to ride a lot of new bikes. And it might surprise you to hear that I can't get on with short 29ers or mullets (I generally need 20mm longe reach for those to work for me). Chainstay length and f to r balance def does come into it.
Super steep sketchiness doesn't often phase me from years of riding super short bikes down the local steep stuff. No idea what madeira is like though.
Phasing or not is not an issue. It's not about egos but about realizing your body weight is in the wrong position on steeps. I also could manage it but I also realized my body position was not in the correct place so I was at a higher risk of crashing.
As for 29ers. I kinda liked the f-r balance of previous gen Trek Slash in Large.
A good LBS and a solid crew of shredding homey's can help alot when trying to sort stuff out. In the past I've had a pile of cheap stems that were different lengths to check fit. PB can be a good source of cheap stuff for checking fit.
I like slighter shorter reach bikes for steep chutes and stuff. Trying a bikes few back to back in the past when I was trying to pick sizes for a new enduro bike I definitely preferred the shorter options on steeper stuff. It's only fast, wide open stuff where I started preferring longer reach/CS, or when I was super tired and running low on energy.
I don't have enough fast, wide open trails near me to get used to them. My local stuff is twisty, steep and slippy so avg. speeds are pretty low. I really need to ride some faster, rougher stuff because any time I have to, I find my suspension is set wrong for it and I'm comfort braking heaps.same.
the older I get the less I'm finding I even want to ride highspeed rough trails
#Oldnpastit
Gary lets be honest.same.
the older I get the less I'm finding I even want to ride highspeed rough trails
#Oldnpastit
1. You were always old. You were the resident grumpy old dude of RM since you joined
2. You never liked high speed trails. I mean I could have sworn you have been saying it for the past 10 years.
2020. Previous to current gen but 29