[sanjuro]

http://www.frumforum.com/waterloo

We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.

There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?

 

[ohio]

Great article, thanks for the link. (You should post that on BARF too... bet you get a different response.)

 

[Silver]

Frum is basically Rudolph Hess. Excuse the Godwin.

Conveniently ignoring the role he took in creating the problem...

 

[sanjuro]

Great article, thanks for the link. (You should post that on BARF too... bet you get a different response.)

To go off topic, I like BARF because I don't have to be civil at all.

I have a lot of respect with the posters here, and I am very interested in hearing what people are thinking around the country.

All I'm learning from BARF is:

1. ATGATT
2. Crashes are to be criticized, especially if you die
3. The multiculturalism of the Bay Area + dumbasses = racist bikers
4. But on a good note, I learned what cosplay is, and I like it:

 

[kidwoo]

No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?

Yeah **** that guy. THIS is what he was saying they should have won the fight against. What a douchebag.

 

[splat]

Great article, thanks for the link. (You should post that on BARF too... bet you get a different response.)

That is very good! thank you

 

[dante]

Yeah **** that guy. THIS is what he was saying they should have won the fight against. What a douchebag.

Did you miss this part?

Could a deal have been reached? Who knows? But we do know that the gap between this plan and traditional Republican ideas is not very big. The Obama plan has a broad family resemblance to Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts plan. It builds on ideas developed at the Heritage Foundation in the early 1990s that formed the basis for Republican counter-proposals to Clintoncare in 1993-1994.

And the issues that he raises in his CNN piece about "what do we do now" doesn't include wholesale rescinding of the bill, but rather pointing out where the Conservatives can look to tweak the bill, including (the never-ending siren call of) tax cuts...

 

[jonKranked]

isn't this plan nearly identical to the one that was proposed in 1994 by the republicans?

 

[dante]

isn't this plan nearly identical to the one that was proposed in 1994 by the republicans?

Kinda shows you who's moved to the middle, and who's gone to the hard right wing...

 

[Westy]

Kinda shows you who's moved to the middle, and who's gone to the hard right wing...

The Republicans fight had nothing to do with health-care and everything to do with trying to make Obama fail.

 

[Jim Mac]

More of a segue way than OT, YIKES!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20100323/ts_dailybeast/7269_scarynewgoppoll

"On the heels of health care, a new Harris poll reveals Republican attitudes about Obama: Two-thirds think he's a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim—and 24 percent say "he may be the Antichrist.""

 

[Westy]

More of a segue way than OT, YIKES!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20100323/ts_dailybeast/7269_scarynewgoppoll

"On the heels of health care, a new Harris poll reveals Republican attitudes about Obama: Two-thirds think he's a socialist, 57 percent a Muslim—and 24 percent say "he may be the Antichrist.""

No coincidence that the ramp is red.

 

[kidwoo]

Did you miss this part?



And the issues that he raises in his CNN piece about "what do we do now" doesn't include wholesale rescinding of the bill, but rather pointing out where the Conservatives can look to tweak the bill, including (the never-ending siren call of) tax cuts...

Find me an instance or two of him saying that months ago and I might be impressed.

 

[kidwoo]

Aw. Poor wittle frum

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20001204-503544.html

GOP Commentator David Frum Loses Job After Criticizing Party

 

[jonKranked]

No coincidence that the ramp is red.

Hey Westy, use the new link. I've been having bandwidth issues on that server as of late.

 

[Pesqueeb]

Kinda shows you who's moved to the middle, and who's gone to the hard right wing...

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