[stoney]

I'm putting in a new outlet and came across an unexpected extra line in the outlet I'm pulling from, so I need help figuring out where I need to splice into.

Situation:
Existing line 1: 12/3
Existing line 2: 12/2
New line: 12/2
Outlet is not attached to a switch, but there is an outlet just on the other wall (6' down, 90*, 2') that is. There are no other outlets nearby.
Switch for said outlet however is on the other side of the room.

Existing wiring:
R1, W2 CAPPED
W1, B1, B2 into outlet
G2 crimped to G1 mid-line
G1 into outlet

How do I splice this in? My first thought is Bn>B1, Wn>W1, Gn>crimp to G1/G2 joint. But that seems to linear/parallel to be right.

It will be pulling a constant charge because it will be powering a wine fridge. Help, please. Thank you.

 

[SkaredShtles]

 

[stevew]

id just call an electrician even though both my brothers were in that line of work...

 

[boostindoubles]

Pics or it didn't happen!

I found this in an outlet in my house.

 

[Pesqueeb]

 

[stoney]

Pics or it didn't happen!

I found this in an outlet in my house.

View attachment 167042

What???? Just buy a fuck outlet and plug it in directly. And then the sides?!?!

 

[kidwoo]

 

[Westy]

I'm putting in a new outlet and came across an unexpected extra line in the outlet I'm pulling from, so I need help figuring out where I need to splice into.

Situation:
Existing line 1: 12/3
Existing line 2: 12/2
New line: 12/2
Outlet is not attached to a switch, but there is an outlet just on the other wall (6' down, 90*, 2') that is. There are no other outlets nearby.
Switch for said outlet however is on the other side of the room.

Existing wiring:
R1, W2 CAPPED
W1, B1, B2 into outlet
G2 crimped to G1 mid-line
G1 into outlet

How do I splice this in? My first thought is Bn>B1, Wn>W1, Gn>crimp to G1/G2 joint. But that seems to linear/parallel to be right.

It will be pulling a constant charge because it will be powering a wine fridge. Help, please. Thank you.

I don't understand what you are describing. I would recommend trying to sketch out what you are seeing.

 

[Westy]

Looks like a 3 house pile-up

 

[SkaredShtles]

I don't understand what you are describing. I would recommend trying to sketch out what you are seeing.

I think @Pesqueeb's photo is probably an accurate depiction of the situation...

 

[stoney]

Pics

 

[Pesqueeb]

I think @Pesqueeb's photo is probably an accurate depiction of the situation...

My brother will be heading up to Highlands pretty soon I suspect.

 

[Full Trucker]

This is why I'm just gonna hire an electrician to wire up my bong shed.

 

[Westy]

Is that on a 3 way switch?

Pretty much everything should be wired in parallel, things get a little more complicated with a 3 way switch.

 

[jonKranked]

Pics or it didn't happen!

I found this in an outlet in my house.

View attachment 167042

is that aluminum wiring?

 

[Jozz]

Is this a countertop outlet?

 

[stoney]

I don't understand what you are describing. I would recommend trying to sketch out what you are seeing.

 

[Pesqueeb]

Is that on a 3 way switch?

Pretty much everything should be wired in parallel, things get a little more complicated with a 3 way switch.

View attachment 167048

@stoney, you sure there wasn't a 3 way (insert highlands ranch joke here) switch in that room at one time?

 

[stoney]

Is this a countertop outlet?

No. Wall outlet in a dry bar. No GFI necessary.

 

[Pesqueeb]

is that aluminum wiring?

His house isn't that old.

 

[Jozz]

No. Wall outlet in a dry bar. No GFI necessary.

So it's attached to a single pole breaker?

 

[stoney]

@stoney, you sure there wasn't a 3 way (insert highlands ranch joke here) switch in that room at one time?

There is a 3-way switch in the room. That outlet is not on it. I can't figure out if it's on that line though.

 

[stoney]

So it's attached to a single pole breaker?

Yes and no. It's strapped to another one. All the breakers in the house are paired like that though.

 

[Westy]

View attachment 167049

I have no idea what that red and white wire are doing, from what we can see they may not have anything to do with that outlet. Looks like the hot wire is wired in parallel to another circuit, but not a neutral? maybe the red/white wire is for the switch connected to the other outlet, but switching the neutral and leaving a live hot wire is bad, very bad.

I would bust out the multimeter with the circuit on to see what the fuck is going on. Probably wouldn't recommend that to you unless you are super comfortable working with 120v and know how to keep yourself alive.

 

[SkaredShtles]

 

[johnbryanpeters]

Take your feed from the outlet itself.

 

[stoney]

I have no idea what that red and white wire are doing, from what we can see they may not have anything to do with that outlet. Looks like the hot wire is wired in parallel to another circuit, but not a neutral? maybe the red/white wire is for the switch connected to the other outlet, but switching the neutral and leaving a live hot wire is bad, very bad.

I would bust out the multimeter with the circuit on to see what the fuck is going on. Probably wouldn't recommend that to you unless you are super comfortable working with 120v and know how to keep yourself alive.

That's kind of where I was. It didn't make any sense.

Take your feed from the outlet itself.

I also debated that, but would that not risk running the outlet hot, since I will have a constant draw from the fridge?

 

[Jozz]

Yes and no. It's strapped to another one. All the breakers in the house are paired like that though.

So on your paired breaker you have a black wire to one screw and a red one on the other?

 

[Westy]

Something seems fishy here. I'd recommend getting one of these as a safe means of testing all of the outlets on that circuit, in particular to see if anything is fishy on the 2nd outlet when the switch is off.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Digital-30-250V-Test-Meter/1001799404?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-elc-_-ggl-_-LIA_ELC_106_Tools-Wire-Connectors-_-1001799404-_-0-_-0-_-0&ds_rl=1286981&ds_a_cid=112741100&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrJOMBhCZARIsAGEd4VExpLT3BHwR44iXdYvGGwr_UdM1gX0jBuq1kGLRncA8oPl0WnXhFVoaAobsEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

and if you find something fishy I'd suggest testing the whole house.

 

[stoney]

Something seems fishy here. I'd recommend getting one of these as a safe means of testing all of the outlets on that circuit, in particular to see if anything is fishy on the 2nd outlet when the switch is off.

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Digital-30-250V-Test-Meter/1001799404?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-elc-_-ggl-_-LIA_ELC_106_Tools-Wire-Connectors-_-1001799404-_-0-_-0-_-0&ds_rl=1286981&ds_a_cid=112741100&gclid=Cj0KCQjwrJOMBhCZARIsAGEd4VExpLT3BHwR44iXdYvGGwr_UdM1gX0jBuq1kGLRncA8oPl0WnXhFVoaAobsEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

and if you find something fishy I'd suggest testing the whole house.

I'll find mine. I have a Kewalt one somewhere.

 

[stoney]

So on your paired breaker you have a black wire to one screw and a red one on the other?

Let me check in a bit. Conf calls for a little bit.

 

[Full Trucker]

Let me check in a bit.

No, now. I can't take the suspense.

 

[johnbryanpeters]

That's kind of where I was. It didn't make any sense.


I also debated that, but would that not risk running the outlet hot, since I will have a constant draw from the fridge?

What's the draw, in amperes? If you wanted to be religious, you would have a dedicated outlet and breaker for a refrigerator.

 

[stevew]

No, now. I can't take the suspense.

 

[boostindoubles]

is that aluminum wiring?

Not in this outlet. I did have aluminum to my water heater, stove, and furnace though. Ripped it all out of course!

Let me check in a bit. Conf calls for a little bit.

From the pics I would guess that one of the outlets in that box is hot 100% of the time and the other may be wired to a switch. Is there a tab missing on black side which would separate those two plug ins?

Do you have a light switch that doesn't do anything? Do you have a voltmeter to test that shit?

 

[stoney]

Not in this outlet. I did have aluminum to my water heater, stove, and furnace though. Ripped it all out of course!



From the pics I would guess that one of the outlets in that box is hot 100% of the time and the other may be wired to a switch. Is there a tab missing on black side which would separate those two plug ins?

Do you have a light switch that doesn't do anything? Do you have a voltmeter to test that shit?

Tested everything. No dead switches. I have 2 switches to 1 plug on the double outlet next wall over.

What's the draw, in amperes? If you wanted to be religious, you would have a dedicated outlet and breaker for a refrigerator.

Electrical:

Rated Power Input: 90 Watts
Rated Current: 0.9 A
Refrigerant: R600A
Energy Consumption: 1.23Kw*h/24h

 

[Jozz]

and what about your breaker, dual wire black and red?

 

[boostindoubles]

Dang that tab is still in place so they are using the outlet as a wire nut to make the connection between the two blacks. Do you know what's on the other end of the red wire?

*in that pic I posted the previous homeowner (?) had removed the tab and regretted it so they installed a jumper. The extra pigtails on the black side make no sense. Ended up rewiring every outlet and switch in the house.

 

[Westy]

Dang that tab is still in place so they are using the outlet as a wire nut to make the connection between the two blacks. Do you know what's on the other end of the red wire?

*in that pic I posted the previous homeowner (?) had removed the tab and regretted it so they installed a jumper. The extra pigtails on the black side make no sense. Ended up rewiring every outlet and switch in the house.

Except they didn't do the same thing with the neutral, which means there is probably an unbalanced circuit somewhere. Probably not a big deal unless you want to install a GFCI, but kind of points out that shit wasn't done properly.

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Someone is about to get a Bob Ross fro.