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  1. X3pilot

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    Sorry, Stink, your time may be running out. Seems in an effort to lessen sequestration, particularly the 60 day notice thing, the DOL feels WARN act doesn't apply to defense contractors.

    Is it odd that 60 days prior to sequestration on Jan 2, 2013 is Nov 2, 2012???

    Some Senators don't think this will work. Not to mention the fact that the DOL has no authority to enforce or not to enforce the WARN act.

    Glad I went govvie worker when I did!

    http://www.help.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/?id=4c5a7654-b0c8-4d07-ad30-a0c48adda57b
     
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  2. $tinkle

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    http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/07/the-warn-act-hypocrisy/

    i've actually been reading up on this the last couple days, & our contract just went into "recompete lite", which is like a no-bid. oh, but i just got an email 20m ago we have an all-hands first thing monday, so maybe we'll all be walked. no matter, i met w/ a recruiter yesterday, and things are popping here in town for other DoD work for SBA qualified corps, which we just became due to massive layoffs.

    and if that doesn't pan out, i'm swingin for 30% from the VA so i can pop a fat tit in my mouth
     
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  3. dante

    dante Unabomber

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    Don't worry, since the government "doesn't create jobs" it'll just mean that all those people freely volunteering their time will have to go do something else. Peace Corp perhaps?


    Yay smaller government/less government spending, right?


    edit: Best of luck, $tinkle, regardless of what happens.
     
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  4. $tinkle

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    from the VA site:
    <scareTactics>it ain't like 2 months delay in legally binding medical evaluation/adjudication and further mental deterioration might result in anything bad, like, say...acting out using military training & tactics...right? i'm sure they can just dial back the instability knowing they have to wait 60 days. if unable, and they want to jump the line, all they have to do is show up wherever crowds gather & go to work</scareTactics>
    thanks, mang
     
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  5. dante

    dante Unabomber

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    That ain't what the head honcho said a few weeks ago...

    We're looking at cutting $500b over 10 years..... That's $50b/year, or ~5% compared to what we're spending now (since it appears that VA spending is lumped in with general military spending). If we can't cut 5% of the budget through "eliminating and reducing waste," well then this isn't the $500 hammer military that I know and love.


    By the way, all the right-wingers have to do to avoid "sequestration" is to agree to a budget that cuts money elsewhere or raises taxes by that amount.... Yeah, don't see that happening.
     
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  6. $tinkle

    $tinkle Expert on blowing

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    age old politics says it's good strategy to do nothing if you can blame the other guy for the fallout

    but generally speaking, sunsets & other automatic date-driven measures are a good thing when matched with "we will re-visit & act on this upon sunset"
     
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  7. $tinkle

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    Army under secretary: With or without sequestration, DoD will shrink
     
  8. dante

    dante Unabomber

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    So instead of spending as much as every other country in the world combined, we're going to be down to spending as much as every other country in the world combined except Eritrea. Yay!!


    Thankfully since the government didn't "create" these jobs, nothing's to be lost by "losing" them...
     
  9. $tinkle

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    due to sequestration, day of reckoning is at hand

    3 mos ago, we were a medium sized business
    as of oct1, we'll have a few dozen at most, and i'm one of 3 developers on an FAA contract; all DoD & VA has been flotsamed/jetsamed

    hope it sticks, as it will put me a few blks from capitol hill until the spring
     
  10. Pesqueeb

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    Soooo...... More riding time?
     
  11. $tinkle

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    if i want to go back to my roots as a bike messenger, sure.

    otherwise, yes, i'll get back in shape for CX this winter

    i am the 47%
     
  12. $tinkle

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    update

    tl;dr: due to compensation structuring of federal employees, axed workers would receive a severance to cost greater than proposed savings by eliminating their jobs

    :facepalm:
     
  13. $tinkle

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    end of FY12 & MDW/NCR is caving in
    NGB opted out of a major contract, as is the trend for the next few months.

    and there's no commercial paper floating any earmarked projects.

    yeah, dude, this **** just got real
     
  14. $tinkle

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    http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/28/news/economy/spending-cuts-fiscal-cliff/index.html
    and from the "well, that escalated quickly" files: sacked. in fact, we're -- sorry, they're auguring in quite fast. should go super nova by weeks' end, and we'll be lucky to get vac paid out (i triggered mine now & had it taken out of escrow before creditors could seize assets)

    so naturally, i leverage the fed'l law for outgoing contractors that offers me right of first refusal. what could possibly go wrong by joining yet another DC area veteran owned small business that gets the lion's share of its business from the public trough?

    did i mention **** just got real?
     
  15. Da Peach

    Da Peach Outwitted by a rodent

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    I understood about 4% of this thread.

    Sucks about needing a new tit.
     
  16. Pesqueeb

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    Sucks man. Go ride, supposed to be real nice today, may be the last one for the year.
     
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    Teat of the Government cash cow running dry at last?
     
  18. $tinkle

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    "new-tit-same-as-the-old-tit"

    unless AA's pilots are still acting up, due to fly into dc tue for a f2f w/ an outfit that closely resembles blackwater ("escort" services to st dept, watchstander, JIEDDO), but w/ a handful of codemonkeys

    i think they're trying to use kanban/scrum for more than just SW sol'ns
     
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    tit -> mouth

    w00t
     
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    New teat? Old teat? Congratulations, I think...
     
  22. Pesqueeb

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    Hooray boobies! Wait, what are we talking about?
     
  23. $tinkle

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    tremors: travel budgets slashed across the board, no training funds, IDIQs not being awarded

    reminds me of 2008
     
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    Yay, Republicans..........


    God bless dem Republicans, savin' us from all that gubmint spendin an all....
     
  25. stevew

    stevew unique white person

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    no one likes a big military.

    jimmy carters wet dream.
     
  26. $tinkle

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    As sequestration looms, contractors don&#8217;t fret
     
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    dante Unabomber

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  28. $tinkle

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    that's code for "get rid of the all the lazy GS-8 naggers"
     
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    http://www.dodbuzz.com/2013/01/30/a-cut-more-costly-than-sequestration/

    Defense leaders have lined up this past month to name the Pentagon&#8217;s latest enemy &#8212; an extension of the continuing resolution &#8212; saying it could prove equally, if not more, devastating to the U.S. military in 2013 as the sequestration cuts.

    Navy Adm. Bill McRaven joined the growing parade of generals Tuesday to stand behind a lectern and tell a crowd how an extension of the continuing resolution would further damager the U.S. military. The continuing resolution is an agreement by Congress to extend the funding levels of the previous year because of its inability to pass a federal budget.

    Better known as the CR, this funding mechanism does not take into account the anticipated growth in defense spending that Pentagon leaders had budgeted. Flattening the budget line leaves the Pentagon feeling at a loss because contracts have been signed and bills need to be paid.

    &#8220;If Congress fails to pass the appropriations bill for FY 13 and simply extends the C.R. through the year, our overall operating accounts would decrease by about five percent below the proposed budget presented by the president for our 2013 budget,&#8221; Panetta said on Jan. 10 during a Pentagon press conference.

    The deadlines for sequestration and the CR fall in March. A combination of the sequestration cuts and an extension of the CR would force the U.S. military to make a $52 billion cut to its budget by October, Panetta said. With each day, service leaders are getting more worried this scenario might come to pass.

    Navy Under Secretary Bob Work did his best to sound the alarm to what the combination of sequester and the extension of the CR would mean to the Navy.

    &#8220;If that happens, ladies and gentlemen, the world as we know it will end. There&#8217;s just no way you can keep the Navy whole and keep the Marine Corps whole,&#8221;
     
  30. $tinkle

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    puffho says obama wants to delay sequester

    as an aside, just got word the customer will exercise option to extend, and IDIQ looks more promising.


    "thanks, obama!"
     
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    Sequestration no longer unthinkable, former Pentagon insider says

    the only thing buying me some time:
    just as long as obama has his drones, the show must go on...
     
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    dante Unabomber

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    So the Socialist "money is no object" US military might have to start living within it's means just like the rest of the capitalist world?

    I'm so upset I'm getting verclempt. Talk amongst yourselves...

     
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    My agency is due to be affected starting April 7th. Notices go out March 1st. Furloughed 1 day per pay period, maximum of 2 per pay period.

    And yes, some strange stuff happens in the military. When the Air Force is reaching the end of the fiscal year and certain units have money left over, they'll go out and fly missions and just dump fuel. They'll do this to "spend the money" so they get the same amount the next year. Some years they actually need it, some they do not, but the system is built so that if you "get by" on less money, they figure you can get by on that amount forever, which doesn't take into account situations like increased maint costs, increased staffing or training of new personnel, etc. This is a common practice unfortunately and my agency could never get away with something like that. They keep a close eye on our hours and expenditures.
     
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  38. trailmike

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    I'm in the Navy Reserves and we had our Sequestration briefing this weekend. Basically what I gathered from it is that the Active Duty Navy will be more affected than the reserves. We are more cost efficient than active, but we'll be hit in certain ways.

    Only mission critical annual trainings are allowed and travel pay and per diem will be affected. No more AT's to hawaii where we learn admin jobs and such. Also we are given up to 29 days of AT funding, but anything after 12 we have to justify. ADT funding will be affected mostly such as op's where they basically throw money at us, and such.

    We are in talks of consolidating our companies to one base, right now where I drill there are two companies with about 25 people each. We'll be with the other companies in our battalion (roughly 300) near our headquarters.

    We'll also be taking some active duty Navy sailors to support our reserve battalion.

    However, I can see this coming. We just received a whole uniform make over last year, and I'm still due to get two pairs of combat boots. I have a walk in closet full of Navy uniforms, half of which I don't even wear.

    JM is right about using up the funding for the fiscal year, one year we were encouraged to go on as many AT's or ADT's during the summer, before Oct 1st. We also helped the army out by using up their diesel and drove HUMV's and MTVRs all over base, as part of "training."
     
  39. $tinkle

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    man, things are AWFUL quiet these past couple of weeks. we're due to switch over from one cloud to an entire HA system on DISA. but it won't happen 'on time / on schedule'...if at all.

    just hoping being a 'top 3 army initiative' will be enough to shield us, but we're certainly not mission critical
     
  40. DirtMcGirk

    DirtMcGirk <b>WAY</b> Dumber than N8 (to the power of ten alm

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    Is it just me, or does it seem the best way to ensure that the best armed, best trained individuals among us decide to rebel and riot is to stop paying them?

    I, for one, look forward to living in the new junta. The current circus is lacking the flavor I need on a day to day basis.