Hmm...why send the extra $300 for the WC when you can get the team and upgrade? hahai just spent a wopping $70 to get the air spring and top cap and that is all you need.
The honed tube is actually different. A boxxer team uses the same stantions (the non honed ones) on both sides, the WC one normal and one honed.the same tube is used i just makes sence to replace it if it has been used with a spring, i dont think sram would put an mc unit in an un smooth tube and it seems to be the same as the spring side.
why? the team has better internals... you wont gain any extra performance with WC (prob lose sum).. the only thing u will gain is less weight which you could lose in other places, without sacrificing performance....just my 2 cent as u say ;-)
my WC has team internals...well at no extra cost as i brought it for £400...lol
Weight. Still, some of the factory riders have a team, ti spring, and WC lowers. It all comes down to preferance.
(JUST AN EXAMPLE) If it doesn't perform better, then why would any factory rider want to ride the World Cup internals?
YEP it does, i heard most do actually...so many people here have them converted...no joke TF is full of them...Weight. Still, some of the factory riders have a team, ti spring, and WC lowers. It all comes down to preferance.
RMBoy - I own both the team and WC, and have done plenty of riding on both.
1. Most factory riders ride the AIR cartridge, you'd be buying into some pretty dumb rumours to think that the top riders out there are riding coil forks. Go look at a couple of the pro's topcaps next time you're at a WC event.
2. The WC (very plainly, and very simply) has less stiction than the team/race, because the solo-air unit has only TWO tiny sliding o-rings, whereas the coil spring has 3 spring isolators about 5-6cm long that rub on the inside of the stanchion during compression, and the amount of stiction also varies depending on spring flex / travel position etc unlike the WC which is consistent after the first compression (to get the lube oil moving around).
I'm not going to say the difference is night and day, but build a bridge and get over it - the WC is the superior fork in about every possible way. I have enough spare o-rings to service the solo air unit 2x over (for the massive cost of 50 cents), and hardly ever see it fail to begin with. It's easy as all hell to service should it need it though, and for the performance and weight benefits I think it's worth picking over the team provided you have the coin.
Mighty fine evidence you have there.no buddy your dead wrong about that. peat, rennie and others ride coil.
no buddy your dead wrong about that. peat, rennie and others ride coil.
first of all, if they were riders who were using coils in world cups, sram wouldn't want the public to know about it would they? and the coil would work fine with an air cap. i dont see what an air cap cant do what a preload cap cant?( the loads on the air cap would be exactly the same as on a preload cap.)1. Most factory riders ride the AIR cartridge, you'd be buying into some pretty dumb rumours to think that the top riders out there are riding coil forks. Go look at a couple of the pro's topcaps next time you're at a WC event.
2. The WC (very plainly, and very simply) has less stiction than the team/race, because the solo-air unit has only TWO tiny sliding o-rings, whereas the coil spring has 3 spring isolators about 5-6cm long that rub on the inside of the stanchion during compression, and the amount of stiction also varies depending on spring flex / travel position etc unlike the WC which is consistent after the first compression (to get the lube oil moving around).
Have to disagree here, yes friction is a function of normal reaction and specific coefficient of friction for the given materials, but you do have to take into account surface area, just think about it - your trying to say that 1sqmm of surface generates the same amount of frictional forces as 100sqmm of surface?friction is a function of normal reaction and coefficient of friction. surface area doesn't matter
your right bud, i have coil and my air valve is still there dosent mean poop....no buddy your dead wrong about that. peat, rennie and others ride coil.
Ah no worries, I thought you were being serious when you said you agreed with him.My agreement was a bit sarcastic, I'm working on expressing sarcasm better via written word.
In short the forks are offered for two different types of consumer, although closely related, people with enough cake to purchase the high end and gain a reduction in weight yet an increase in performance and adjustability. As well as a high performing Team fork for those that do not have the money but can still gain on a lightweight great performing fork.
I honestly don't agree with either of those calls (about the current forks anyway), that's the sort of thing you usually hear from people who are yet to try the fork and have some very old fashioned ideas (or second-hand ones) on how air suspension should feel.the reasons being the change in spring rate due to heating on long runs, and lack of small bump sensitivity off the top of the stroke.