Although much of "education" provided by colleges and universities is useless, I think you're off the mark.
You nailed it.
Like you said.....kinda the point.
Well if the education and job placement was all it’s cracked up to be, paying back would be quick and easy…
You forgot to use “rich peoples yachts” instead of “the economy”. Rookie mistake.
That kind of sounds like systematic reform, and we can't have that (according to kidwoo). Only repayment will do!
but then where will the infinite profits come from
Jesus christ, you really haven't looked into this at all have you?
What the **** does a 17 year old know, and more importantly, understand, about this kind of debt?
I half agree just because #metoo but I also had resources that not everyone has access to. IE: college guidance and schools that weren't bottom tier or community college first kinda thing.
My parents never went to college so I didn't really have any guidance. In fact I got accepted to Cornell with a rather nice scholarship but chose not to go because because it would have cost me $700 more a year to attend than my final choice. That was probably a really dumb decision but looking back I think I would have hated being surrounded by a bunch of Ivy League dick heads.
I didn't get offered jackshit at cornell. I was deferred admission even.
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I was in-state and Cornell loved my high school. Something like 20 people from my graduating class went to Cornell. Also one of the reasons I didn't go there. I hated all 20 of those fuckers.I didn't get offered jackshit at cornell. I was deferred admission even.
Funny to think we may have crossed paths there in a different universe.
There was a really down to earth guy in my chemE grad program at UF who came from cornell. He fucking hated that place for the exact same reason. In the end I'm kinda glad too now that I've had to interact and work with some of that 'scene'.
I just had some good guidance counselors, good AP teachers and SAT prep shit at my school. People who told me what questions to ask of colleges. I know for a fact not everyone has that. I'm a family first too so all I get from home is 'that damn librul skool made you all fucked up boy!
maybe we should both stop with the strawman arguments.
dude don't make fun of art school!
It is much, much harder to completely bamboozle a highly educated population.
Corporations should pay, because they are the ones who benefit. They've spent decades shifting the burden of education and job related training onto the individual, then have the gall to complain that they can't find qualified workers. I dunno, maybe quit making entry level jobs require Master's degrees for the privilege of earning $15/hr? Create a system where people are beholden to the job you've graciously bestowed upon them, to pay back the money you loaned them, only to turn your back and hire a bunch of H1Bs anyway all for a $20K annual bonus. Winning!
don't "both sides" me bro!
I disagree, the understanding at 30 or 40 years old is radically different. The male brain isn’t even fully developed until about 26. That’s science. There are all sorts of topics like this. You don’t have enough context and bandwidth at 17 to really understand. If you claim this just because things turned out well, that’s just confirmation bias. I freely admit I didn’t understand all kinds of **** that I thought I did.
Almost like a certain entity within our government knows this and needs a constant supply of poor, young, able bodied men to promise just a few years of their time in exchange for the opportunity to get that elusive life-changing education.
Honestly the GI bill is possibly the most equitable program the government offers. A lot of people could use 4 years of discipline and work ethic before going to college, or to decide what they really want to do with themselves. That is probably a bigger problem than understanding what debt is. All the people I know who got into major debt problems were the ones who once no longer under parental control turned college into a really expensive party and either required several extra years to graduate or walked away with a bunch of debt and no degree.
Why point at me? Your guy won the election. Isn't this the Trump presidency thread? You guys are still bitching & moaning about it, its kinda pathetic. He's gone, lost the election get over it & move on, I have. You should be very satisfied with the current results with who you voted for. Yep, college dropout, uneducated, whatever you want to call it however I've done okay in life & can't complain.
Let’s not forget, the debt and interest is only one facet of it. The school painting an overly rosy picture of employment prospects and salaries in conjunction with unrealistic timelines is also a huge part of it. It wouldn’t be as big a problem if you went to earning 150K/year right off the batt, but the days of that being medical and lawyer degree territory are long gone. This is the reality for many people and programs and the kids just don’t know any better (at the time). Not that they should be able to fund degrees on ridiculous stuff, but those are they exception. The mainstream is out of control.
OK, so my comment was primarily directed at the "I got mine bro" comment, but upon re-reading it I see that it was directed toward all americans. Still, I tried to make a joking comment that picking a career based on passion then finding that it isn't a fruitful career (ie art history) and not being able to pay back your loans, and that was spun to be that I see no value in art history or whatever. I had student loans, so did most of my peers. I paid them back. I did it without doing anything criminal. It took a long time and probably prevented me from buying a home for some time. I had an average amount of debt that was neither excessive nor particularly low. I made what I would call "bad" choices in that, in reflection, I wish I had chosen a state school with lower tuition so I'd have no student loans. I'd like to see the next generation have an easier time.don't "both sides" me bro!
Everything I mentioned were concrete, tangible administrative actions, policies, and plans that biden and his campaign were handed, they promised some follow through on, campaigned on, and then reneged, or when the chance came to act on, did the opposite.
I'm not making things up to argue them. These happened. And it's why a large portion of the small margin of victory for biden in 2020 won't be voting or campaigning for him again. He's going to lose because of his specific actions and broken promises to the people that organized for his campaign.
I agree that art history and its ilk ought to go down the hopper.
I didn't say anything about the middle class, nor hard working blue collar workers. I most specifically am talking about people who went to school for "Gender and Emoji use" or some such nonsense. Then again, if those people you are talking about went to harvard without a dime of financial aid and come out wondering why they are deep in debt on a machinist's salary, then yes, those are included.
Unfortunately a lot of those jobs are gone, shipped overseas. We've been on that downward spiral for the last 30+ years, very sad. Hourly wages/Salaries have been stagnant for years. With that being said, the trades can still provide a great comfortable lifestyle. Today it seems like everyone thinks the only way to succeed in life is by having a degree, that's far from the truth. Most every homeowner will need to hire a plumber, electrician, roofer, HVAC, etc. contractor at one point in time. I still keep my general & plumbing licenses active for those occasional side jobs, I'll bill out at $150-$200 an hour depending on the difficulty of the job. Money is there to be made, just hurts a lot more 30 years later.
