[curtix]

Unfortunately, what we have now is, the board of directors for, say, Xerox, is made up of CEO's and executives from IBM, HP, Ford, Sony, Dell, Exxon, etc. Same thing for pretty much every other corporation. They sit in their board of directors meetings and vote each other 20 million dollar salaries, while the company's stock does jack squat (or even goes down the tubes), and the employees get raises that don't keep pace with inflation. They don't work any harder than you or I, and they certainly haven't earned a 20 million dollar salary. Do you think Cindy McCain did anything to earn her money? Can you define "heiress"?

I would be honored to be able to leave my hard work to my family and my kids. Cindy's dad built his biz up with his own hands, should his children not reap the rewards. I would like to know I can do the same if I work hard at it and not be punished.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Dude...seriously..stop saying NOTHING

I'll say something really constructive and insightful once I can see that your cognitive ability and critical reading skillz have risen above wheat germ.

Until then there's no reason for me to make anything but snide (yet altogether accurate) remarks to lame talking points that have no merit whatsoever outside Fox Newz.

 

[Westy]

Unfortunately, what we have now is, the board of directors for, say, Xerox, is made up of CEO's and executives from IBM, HP, Ford, Sony, Dell, Exxon, etc. Same thing for pretty much every other corporation. They sit in their board of directors meetings and vote each other 20 million dollar salaries, while the company's stock does jack squat (or even goes down the tubes), and the employees get raises that don't keep pace with inflation. They don't work any harder than you or I, and they certainly haven't earned a 20 million dollar salary. Do you think Cindy McCain did anything to earn her money? Can you define "heiress"?

The wealthy in this country do a great job of giving each other reach arounds while convincing Joe Six Pack that he is getting screwed if he works that weekend OT.

 

[Echo]

I would be honored to be able to leave my hard work to my family and my kids. Cindy's dad built his biz up with his own hands, should his children not reap the rewards. I would like to know I can do the same if I work hard at it and not be punished.

OK, aside from the fact that I disagree strongly with that statement, pretend I didn't say anything about Cindy McCain and address the rest of the post.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I would be honored to be able to leave my hard work to my family and my kids. Cindy's dad built his biz up with his own hands, should his children not reap the rewards. I would like to know I can do the same if I work hard at it and not be punished.

Yeah...cause they're gonna be hurting after this election. Even if McCain loses, they'll what...have to cut back to 4 homes? Oh the humanity.

My company had to sell our corporate jet...horrors...

 

[curtix]

I'll say something really constructive and insightful once I can see that your cognitive ability and critical reading skillz have risen above wheat germ.

Until then there's no reason for me to make anything but snide (yet altogether accurate) remarks to lame talking points that have no merit whatsoever outside Fox Newz.

Again another personal attack. All the majority of you all seem to do is ignore the discussion and attack the messenger with unfounded information thus displaying the vast amount of ignorance that you have in the thread topic and discussion. You insult yourself in the long run, go post in an area where you are informed and leave the adult discussions alone. (Fox news comment is a real tell all - just quoting the kool-aid drinkers mantra)

 

[curtix]

OK, aside from the fact that I disagree strongly with that statement, pretend I didn't say anything about Cindy McCain and address the rest of the post.

You disagree with the statement that its good to be able to leave your kids the rewards of your hard work? What would Obama's grandma say, since they put him through the best schools in town on her hard work. If you really think this way it will be most surprising.

 

[Echo]

You disagree with the statement that its good to be able to leave your kids the rewards of your hard work? What would Obama's grandma say, since they put him through the best schools in town on her hard work. If you really think this way it will be most surprising.

Nice Dodge. Refer to my last post - when you answer that, I will be happy to slap down this latest mischaracterization and gross lack of comprehension by you.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Again another personal attack. All the majority of you all seem to do is ignore the discussion and attack the messenger with unfounded information thus displaying the vast amount of ignorance that you have in the thread topic and discussion. You insult yourself in the long run, go post in an area where you are informed and leave the adult discussions alone. (Fox news comment is a real tell all - just quoting the kool-aid drinkers mantra)

I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain (Like ohio did) why what you posted up was whacked. If you're just going to go round and round the 'ol mulberry bush while mixing up terminology and definitions with sound bytes, fine. It won't do me any good to add another voice to the fracas using the same outline to tell you that it doesn't work the way you think.

I'll outline the thought process for a post just so you can see that it isn't as blatant as you perceive:

Ok so if I do well for myself and make some money the government should punish me and force me to give it to who they say. If that is your idea of common sense you would love communism.

O.K. Ron Paul.

It's called the IRS. They tax sh*t. Welcome to America. Ron Paul has made it clear that he wants to disband the IRS. Welcome to no social program funding. kthxbai.



Yeah, when people don't listen or choose to ignore certain glaring flaws, it upsets me. I'm sorry if you feel butt hurt over my last post, but when there's nothing better that you can come up with after faced with critical thinking by others, there's really nothing I can do for you.

*shrug*

 

[curtix]

Yeah...cause they're gonna be hurting after this election. Even if McCain loses, they'll what...have to cut back to 4 homes? Oh the humanity.

My company had to sell our corporate jet...horrors...

Is there something wrong with owning more than 1 home?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Is there something wrong with owning more than 1 home?

Did I say there was?

 

[curtix]

Did I say there was?

I am just asking. I know its hard to say for you, but lets just try this. -

Can we agree that being prosperous, making a profit, owning more than one house is OK?

 

[curtix]

So if I don't agree with you all I get banned?
Based on what Echo?
I saw your post -that has since disappeared.
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[Echo]

You can disagree all you want. It becomes trolling when you switch to another arguement (or start arguing minutia instead of the actual point) every time you get slapped down. And this isn't a democracy, you don't have a right to be here, and if I choose to ban you, nobody will miss you. Lucky for you I rarely ban people, which is why I deleted the post.

 

[curtix]

You can disagree all you want. It becomes trolling when you switch to another arguement (or start arguing minutia instead of the actual point) every time you get slapped down. And this isn't a democracy, you don't have a right to be here, and if I choose to ban you, nobody will miss you. Lucky for you I rarely ban people, which is why I deleted the post.

So what was the reason I was going to get banned again - but then you changed your mind.?

 

[Echo]

So what was the reason I was going to get banned again - but then you changed your mind.?

I don't need a reason. And discussing things with you is a waste of time. Have fun talking to yourself.

 

[curtix]

I don't need a reason. And discussing things with you is a waste of time. Have fun talking to yourself.

Absolutely stunning.
I do not mind talking to myself at all. Take it easy.

Back on topic as the original post entailed.
Obama has learned some of his socialist tendencies from his fathers ideals. That is the point I wanted to make in the original post.
And I think the fact remains.

 

[dante]

so, based on your idea of "socialism", let me guess, your idea of a tax plan to raise the 3 trillion dollars that we have in the current budget would go something like this:

$3,000,000,000,000 needed
300,000,000 people in the US
=
$10,000/person (man, woman, child)

the very first, true, fair, NON-SOCIALIST TAX SYSTEM. Anyone that can't pay their fair share, gets thrown in debtor's prison until they can work their way free. anything less, and you're taxing people based on their ability to pay, and in some manner redistributing the wealth.

 

[sanjuro]

If you read either of his books - one is named "Dreams from My Father" you will see how much his father influenced him after all. So while it is most obviously not genetic, what his father believed, and what he has learned about his father. Most certainly has influence on him. All people for that matter. We sometimes embrace our fathers ideas, sometimes we reject them. I would assume no one will argue that Obama's obvious socialist tendencies would claim he rejected the "Dreams of his father".

I know you were excited about that comment so I am sorry to inject the blasted reality. Do a little more research and stay tuned to Ridemonkey.com for more amazing Obama Facts as the days progress. I will try to educate you even if you are kicking and screaming.

Excellent swiftboating.

Bring up a trival fact about his father's economic views for an African country in 1964, tie in irrelevant statements from his book talking about the image of his absentee father, and you got tied the phrases socialism, 100% taxation, and Barack Obama in the same sentence.

Good smear.

 

[sanjuro]

he blasted reality. Do a little more research and stay tuned to Ridemonkey.com for more amazing Obama Facts as the days progress. I will try to educate you even if you are kicking and screaming.

I would like to be educated more. Could you explain to me the economic circumstances of Kenya in 1965 and how it relates to America today.

BTW, what makes you think you will be around past today?

 

[jimmydean]

I am just asking. I know its hard to say for you, but lets just try this. -

Can we agree that being prosperous, making a profit, owning more than one house is OK?

I don't think anyone will argue that making it is bad. But when you keep it all and say f@ck everyone else, that's the real issue.

The people who make more than $250k don't want to pay 30%+ in taxes. Yet I used to pay 30%+ when I made little more than minimum wage and didn't care. People I hate, like Bill Gates, give away millions of dollars every year. I admire him for that. People like Bill O'Reilly get mad if they have to pay more in taxes, yet they still have it a great deal better than 99% of the country.

I'm not saying "give me money because you are rich", but I would like to keep more of my money because I'm not.

 

[Transcend]

Seriously do I need to post the definition of socialism again? Without gov't ownership of major means of production and distribution, it is NOT SOCIALIST. Period. End of story.

Go back to school, you C- in Political Economy is failing you.

 

[Defenestrated]

Seriously do I need to post the definition of socialism again? Without gov't ownership of major means of production and distribution, it is NOT SOCIALIST. Period. End of story.

Go back to school, you C- in Political Economy is failing you.

 

[reflux]

@Transcend
Sig material? If they continue to spout mindless rhetoric, you shouldn't have to waste your time copying and pasting the exact same definition.

 

[Defenestrated]

seriously people need to learn the difference between socialist states and capitalist welfare states.

 

[ire]

That is what we call Wealth Redistribution a core precept of Socialism.

Is it Socialism when the top 1% continue to have the wealth redistributed in their favor?

 

[Defenestrated]

Behold, the fruits of 1 minute on wikipedia.

Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods. Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution, it being the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.

Communism is a socioeconomic structure that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property in general. It is usually considered to be a branch of socialism, a broad group of social and political ideologies, which draws on the various political and intellectual movements with origins in the work of theorists of the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution, although socialist historians say they are older. Communism attempts to offer an alternative to the problems believed to be inherent with capitalist economies and the legacy of imperialism and nationalism.

Welfare State, an ideal model in which the state assumes primary responsibility for the welfare of its citizens. This responsibility in theory ought to be comprehensive, because all aspects of welfare are considered and universally applied to citizens as a "right".

 

[ohio]

That is what we call Wealth Redistribution a core precept of Socialism.

And the progressive tax is a core precept of modern capitalism (which is not the same as libertarianism). Do you really want me to pick apart each one of your posts? They're all logical fallacies, most with a presupposition of a conclusion and then selection or distortion of facts to create premises. It's a waste of my time if you're not going to admit you're wrong when I'm done.

 

[$tinkle]

remember when saddam hussein was in charge of iraq, then he's gone and there's this power vacuum where a bunch of other thugs are vying for power?

N8

just sayin...

 

[DirtyDog]

Rather than emailing me about how RM peeps are oppressing you, how about answering all the questions directed at you in this thread? You seem to avoid the tough ones.

 

[DirtyDog]

And the progressive tax is a core precept of modern capitalism (which is not the same as libertarianism). Do you really want me to pick apart each one of your posts? They're all logical fallacies, most with a presupposition of a conclusion and then selection or distortion of facts to create premises. It's a waste of my time if you're not going to admit you're wrong when I'm done.

I think you had him beat at "are you really going to argue with Warren B.?"

 

[Secret Squirrel]

And the progressive tax is a core precept of modern capitalism (which is not the same as libertarianism). Do you really want me to pick apart each one of your posts? They're all logical fallacies, most with a presupposition of a conclusion and then selection or distortion of facts to create premises. It's a waste of my time if you're not going to admit you're wrong when I'm done.

Jesus...you just went and put it out there in plain English...

At least I was trying to be immature and derisive.

Damn you...stealing my fun.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Rather than emailing me about how RM peeps are oppressing you, how about answering all the questions directed at you in this thread? You seem to avoid the tough ones.

Oh snap!!!

 

[kidwoo]

remember when saddam hussein was in charge of iraq, then he's gone and there's this power vacuum where a bunch of other thugs are vying for power?

N8

just sayin...

AND MOTHERFVCKING HOW!!!!

Rather than emailing me about how RM peeps are oppressing you, how about answering all the questions directed at you in this thread? You seem to avoid the tough ones.

Bwaaahaaahahaaa...........



Better yet, just admit you don't really know what socialism is and are just parroting all the bullshlt little 'sources' that have had such a profound influence on you this week.

 

[Transcend]

Rather than emailing me about how RM peeps are oppressing you, how about answering all the questions directed at you in this thread? You seem to avoid the tough ones.

Bwahaha. Awesome.

 

[Westy]

Rather than emailing me about how RM peeps are oppressing you, how about answering all the questions directed at you in this thread? You seem to avoid the tough ones.

Oppressing conservatives is the popular thing to do.
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