[yos1s25]

Cornering
Is there a movie that shows how to take corners?
how to use the bike and the body?
With burms and without.

Thanks

 

[SirChomps-a-Lot]

anything with "air boudron" in it!

seriously, though, check out transcontinental, circus, earthed, other race movies.

 

[Wallstreetbiker]

Cornering
Is there a movie that shows how to take corners?
how to use the bike and the body?
With burms and without.

Thanks

Earthed for sure. Also, check out the new book being offered at www.leelikesbikes.com. Looks pretty good. Mine's on order.

 

[yos1s25]

what i mean is:
amovie that really teach you
step by step....

thanks guys

 

[Acadian]

maybe Fundamentals when it comes out?
http://www.4130.com/television/fundamentals.html

 

[biggins]

not that i know of. pretty much just burry the bike in the corner, outside pedal in the down position weighting the front slightly more with your elbows up and out.

 

[MikeD]

not that i know of. pretty much just burry the bike in the corner, outside pedal in the down position weighting the front slightly more with your elbows up and out.

Not according to Shaums. I mean, he's not Nico, but he was sure fast enough for me to learn a few things from. Then again, I'm slow as hell...

Some of us like to corner pedals-level, bike heeled over beneath a mostly upright rider. Elbows definitely up-and-out, though, for most everyone. I tried it after the Shaums clinic and liked it. It's really good for the drifty, loose riding out in dusty California.

Turning is often about choosing the technique appropriate to conditions, speed, etc. I only tend to lean the bike over and put the outside pedal down when I'm on a berm.

I like to keep my weight over the contact patch of my tire. Staying upright makes that happen, while the bike leans/turns beneath you.

A bicycle doesn't have the same physics as a motorcycle...rider is heavier than the actual machine, and the wheels aren't such big gyroscopes. I don't think we can knee-drag as much as we'd like to.

 

[SirChomps-a-Lot]

outside pedal in the down position

uhhh... check your sources on that one again.

 

[biggins]

uhhh... check your sources on that one again.

why do you say that?why would you corner with your inside pedal in the down position?

now depending upon the corner i also corner in with my pedals flat.

 

[HRDTLBRO]

I believe Biggins means that with your inside foot off the pedal, say going into a lefthand turn, your outside, right pedal would be down, in the 6 o' clock position. I usually don't take my feet off until I feel the tires break loose, or if I'm just going to fast to take the corner correctly, OR if I just want to look all moto stylee in the mud.

 

[MikeD]

I believe Biggins means that with your inside foot off the pedal, say going into a lefthand turn, your outside, right pedal would be down, in the 6 o' clock position. I usually don't take my feet off until I feel the tires break loose, or if I'm just going to fast to take the corner correctly, OR if I just want to look all moto stylee in the mud.

That's indeed what Biggins is saying...and some of us are saying it's not necessarily the best way to turn.

Biggins, no one is saying inside pedal down...we're saying pedals-level.

MD

 

[buildyourown]

I have my feet in different places for different turns. Pedals level for berms.
Outside pedal down and weighted for flat/off-chamber drifty turns.

For more tips, check out lee's book.
Also www.go-ride.com has some tech tips

 

[HRDTLBRO]

Damn you! You beat me to it. :eviltongu

 

[Pip3r]

every corner is different, and every rider has different techniques. If you watch enough footage youll find out whos style works best for you to imitate and where.
Hands down, Sam Hill has be one of the best cornerers in the world. He really carves around them and makes it exciting to watch. Then theres guys like Peaty who tend to find the straightest line and just power though it and make it work (anyone else notice how many course poles that guy seems to takes out?) 2 totally different styles but both very good.

For me personally ive found that on loose open fire road stuff, keeping your body centered over the top tube and even weight on both tires, and then literally rotating your upper body like 90degrees to the top tube works really well. Kirkaldie really exagerates that technique its sick.
For tighter stuff in the woods, finding the high line and setting up early, then cutting it real tight, usually is the best way to get it done. At most local races the line being taken isnt the best one by any means, so keep your eyes open especially the first couple runs down.

You could probably write a book on that stuff but thats just some rambling from me being bored.
As stupid as it sounds, try plying some racing video games like need for speed underground. That game is all about nailing turns perfect and will get your mind used to finding the best line by giving yourself the most room to work with and keeping it pinned.

 

[biggins]

I have my feet in different places for different turns. Pedals level for berms.
Outside pedal down and weighted for flat/off-chamber drifty turns.

For more tips, check out lee's book.
Also www.go-ride.com has some tech tips

thats more of what i meant, i'll let my bike drift before i put a foot down. it seems to me however in flat turns having the outside foot in the down position seems to prevent drift a little better.

 

[MikeD]

anything with "air boudron" in it!
.

No one can imitate Bourdon's cornering techniques...his COG is almost artificially low.

 

[Jeremy R]

Everybody does differnet things to improve their cornering ability,
but only one thing over the years has seriously improved mine.
Core Strength.
Developing a strong core lets your body stay centered through corners,
where you are moving your bike more and your body less. That is the one
thing that made a big improvement in my riding this year.
And it is also the only thing I have done off the bike that I have ever thought actually works.
Also, simply to continue practicing cornering and actually thinking about what you are doing should help as well.
PS I feel like a choad just typing this, since the pros rip corners 5,000 times faster than me, but the above junk is what worked for me to this point.

 

[toodles]

Stuff I'd recommend:

Buy one of those inflatable Swiss ball thingos and use that when your watching TV, they help you set up your balance point nicely and develop core strength.

As was said before, playing car racing video games can help improve your idea of racing lines and develop a good habit of approaching corners from the widest angles and carrying your speed through.

Try to avoid setting your bike up with uber-short stems. A >60mm stem will let you carve better than a <50mm stem. Check out the pros bikes and see how they've got their forks and stems set up. Kovarik and Minaar (used to) run their Dorado stems in the furtherest position for all but the steepest of tracks.

PS. Don't combine the Swiss ball with the car racing method if you're like me and tend to lean your body in an attempt to get your virtual car around the corner better - you'll fall off.