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Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Stock market took a bit of tumble today. Everytime that has happend in the past few months we seem to get some empty news on a vaccines, let's see who says what in the next 24 hours.
 

ALEXIS_DH

Tirelessly Awesome
Jan 30, 2003
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Lima, Peru, Peru
A government official made an annoucement today in my neck of the woods.

Vaccine available for mid 2021, tentative schedule is going to be defined by occupation, then by age.
Medical personel and hospital workers first, police/army next, firefighters next, janitorial/garbage disposal personel next, seniors next.

I think grocery/market workers should be placed up 2/3rd in line.
 

maxyedor

<b>TOOL PRO</b>
Oct 20, 2005
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In the bathroom, fighting a battle
Stock market took a bit of tumble today. Everytime that has happend in the past few months we seem to get some empty news on a vaccines, let's see who says what in the next 24 hours.
I think today's dip is related to the renewal or rather lack of renewal of certain parts of the CARES act, specifically the enhanced unemployment. I got an email from every financial institution who has my email about it this morning and their outlook was pretty poor. Not surprising to see a bit of a dip after that type of assessment from the nerds who run shit.


My Dorel Industries shares are doing great though, I shall be using my profits from Chinese bicycles to buy un-Chinese bicycles soon.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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17,111
Riding the baggage carousel.
Literal death panels

I'd take this moment to "recommend" the book Five Days at Memorial, to get a good, long look at what could be coming to the entire country.
 

slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
9,433
5,175
Ottawa, Canada
Not sure what to make of this:


On the one hand, yay?!

but on the other hand, quotes such as "all signs point to" , and "while not conclusive, this comes as welcome news to parents" seems a) precocious and b) misleading, since the data could eventually lead to different conclusions...
 

Toshi

Harbinger of Doom
Oct 23, 2001
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My takeaways:

1) Ioannidis’s mind was already set prior to doing any research.

2) He knew of the funder of his study (JetBlue founder) and lied about this later.

3) Non-contrarian modelers were much closer to the truth wrt deaths than he was (10,000 was his prediction).
 

StiHacka

Compensating for something
Jan 4, 2013
21,560
12,506
In hell. Welcome!
Not sure what to make of this:


On the one hand, yay?!

but on the other hand, quotes such as "all signs point to" , and "while not conclusive, this comes as welcome news to parents" seems a) precocious and b) misleading, since the data could eventually lead to different conclusions...
Paywall. What are they saying?
 

rideit

Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
23,550
11,689
In the cleavage of the Tetons
We all knew it was just a matter of time, visitation number are actually higher than ‘19, and that is with NO international/Chinese visitation.
Maybe I should go drive an Uber, catch this thing, and just get it over with. (Not)

EDIT: apparently the majority of new cases are among the young and rad 20-something crowd. Do people actually use tinder in the age of Covid?
 
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slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
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Ottawa, Canada
Paywall. What are they saying?
I'll do this in two parts caus I'm running into character limits...

What Is It That Keeps Most Little Kids From Getting Covid-19?

So, how strict should parents be? Are babies and children in their toddler through primary school years somehow more able to fight off coronavirus infections, compared with adults? Is it OK if they don’t wear masks or social distance?
Experts still say if families live in a hot spot or a family member is vulnerable to a severe case of Covid-19, children should remain as dedicated as ever to disinfection routines, distancing from people outside the home, wearing a mask and washing their hands even more than they did before the pandemic.
Outside of those situations, parents can relax at least one of the most stringent and challenging measures they took earlier this year — without raising risk significantly: they no longer need to completely isolate their young children, Dr. Chiang said. Similar guidance is implicit in the reopening guidelines for schools released in late June by the American Academy of Pediatrics, or A.A.P., which advocates for “having students physically present in school.”
There are many hints and even some data showing that children fare better against the virus on a few levels than adults do. First, only 17 children under the age of 5 nationwide have died of Covid-19, according to data reported to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control as of July 11. That’s a little under a third the number in that age range who have died of the flu this year. And while a multi-system inflammatory syndrome, called MIS-C, affects some children infected with the coronavirus, it is rare and most recover from it.
Experts who study and treat children with the coronavirus remain cautious but say they’ve seen positive signals amid limited data on how children catch and spread the novel coronavirus.
“The findings currently are pointing to a likelihood that young children have a lower risk of becoming infected and maybe even a lower risk of transmitting,” Dr. Chiang said. “I think it’s an evolving situation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if those are the conclusions that we end up drawing.”
The American Academy of Pediatrics’ guidelines for reopening schools stated that children “may be less likely to become infected” with the coronavirus and to spread that infection.
 

slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
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Ottawa, Canada
I'll do this in two parts caus I'm running into character limits...

What Is It That Keeps Most Little Kids From Getting Covid-19?

So, how strict should parents be? Are babies and children in their toddler through primary school years somehow more able to fight off coronavirus infections, compared with adults? Is it OK if they don’t wear masks or social distance?
Experts still say if families live in a hot spot or a family member is vulnerable to a severe case of Covid-19, children should remain as dedicated as ever to disinfection routines, distancing from people outside the home, wearing a mask and washing their hands even more than they did before the pandemic.
Outside of those situations, parents can relax at least one of the most stringent and challenging measures they took earlier this year — without raising risk significantly: they no longer need to completely isolate their young children, Dr. Chiang said. Similar guidance is implicit in the reopening guidelines for schools released in late June by the American Academy of Pediatrics, or A.A.P., which advocates for “having students physically present in school.”
There are many hints and even some data showing that children fare better against the virus on a few levels than adults do. First, only 17 children under the age of 5 nationwide have died of Covid-19, according to data reported to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control as of July 11. That’s a little under a third the number in that age range who have died of the flu this year. And while a multi-system inflammatory syndrome, called MIS-C, affects some children infected with the coronavirus, it is rare and most recover from it.
Experts who study and treat children with the coronavirus remain cautious but say they’ve seen positive signals amid limited data on how children catch and spread the novel coronavirus.
“The findings currently are pointing to a likelihood that young children have a lower risk of becoming infected and maybe even a lower risk of transmitting,” Dr. Chiang said. “I think it’s an evolving situation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if those are the conclusions that we end up drawing.”
The American Academy of Pediatrics’ guidelines for reopening schools stated that children “may be less likely to become infected” with the coronavirus and to spread that infection.
What we know so far
While this is welcome news for parents, governmental and news media reports have raised concerns about the accuracy of data on adult infections and deaths, and for children. Undercounts are likely because tests can be difficult to obtain, results reportedly lag, and states’ data collection and reporting practices differ. Without widespread testing and large, random targeted samples of children, researchers and doctors are not confident of the true number of children who catch the coronavirus, said Mark Schleiss, M.D., a pediatric infectious diseases expert at the University of Minnesota Medical School.
In Iceland, a team of researchers tested 6 percent of the country’s population for the coronavirus. Out of more than 848 children who responded to an invitation to participate in one part of the study, the team found no coronavirus infections in kids under 10 years old, even with elementary schools and day cares open at the time. The children were either less vulnerable to the virus or never exposed to it, the authors wrote.
Another way researchers have gauged whether children were less likely to catch the coronavirus was to track infections within households where at least one person had tested positive. Two studies in China found that children were less likely than adults to catch the virus from an infected person living with them. A third study showed no difference.

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slyfink

Turbo Monkey
Sep 16, 2008
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Ottawa, Canada
What we know so far
While this is welcome news for parents, governmental and news media reports have raised concerns about the accuracy of data on adult infections and deaths, and for children. Undercounts are likely because tests can be difficult to obtain, results reportedly lag, and states’ data collection and reporting practices differ. Without widespread testing and large, random targeted samples of children, researchers and doctors are not confident of the true number of children who catch the coronavirus, said Mark Schleiss, M.D., a pediatric infectious diseases expert at the University of Minnesota Medical School.
In Iceland, a team of researchers tested 6 percent of the country’s population for the coronavirus. Out of more than 848 children who responded to an invitation to participate in one part of the study, the team found no coronavirus infections in kids under 10 years old, even with elementary schools and day cares open at the time. The children were either less vulnerable to the virus or never exposed to it, the authors wrote.
Another way researchers have gauged whether children were less likely to catch the coronavirus was to track infections within households where at least one person had tested positive. Two studies in China found that children were less likely than adults to catch the virus from an infected person living with them. A third study showed no difference.

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Some researchers hypothesize that the virus cannot make its way into the cells of younger children as well as it can into those of adults because children make fewer receptors, called ACE2, which is where the virus docks.
As children grow into adolescence and adulthood, they make more ACE2 receptors. Their risk for infection and sickness from the coronavirus would, theoretically, likely increase. The evidence for this hypothesis is limited. To establish a link, experts would have to demonstrate it in lab mice and then in large studies of people over time.
It remains unclear whether young children spread the coronavirus to other children and to adults, according to a handful of studies. (A recent study from South Korea found that unlike the case for children under 10, older children transmit the virus as well as adults do.)
“It certainly doesn’t seem like young kids play a huge role in transmission, but it’s early days in this pandemic. It’s not conclusive yet that they don’t,” Dr. Chiang said.
One theory suggests that because children’s smaller lungs do not push out as many droplets as adults’ do, they also push out fewer droplets potentially containing the coronavirus, said Jeffrey Starke, M.D., a professor of pediatrics at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston who sees patients at Texas Children’s Hospital.
Whether it’s small lungs, less-welcoming cells or other factors, the reason for why kids may be more resilient to catching and spreading the virus is elusive. Even under the best of circumstances, it can take decades for researchers to understand how an infectious disease behaves in adults, let alone its nuances in children.

Yet, just like Chiang when she saw the kids together in the street, some public-health experts are shifting and even loosening their thinking about isolating children and adopting a risk-benefit perspective.
“Any additional contact increases risk but we are facing a trade-off of what’s best for our children,” said Helen Jenkins, Ph.D., an assistant professor of biostatistics at Boston University.
For starters, rather than prohibiting children from playing together and eliminating all social risk, Dr. Chiang and the A.A.P. schools-reopening guidelines focus on reducing risk and state that outdoor play is safer than indoor play. Jenkins said her family now socializes with another cautious family. Their summer plans include outdoor playground and beach visits, but not museums.
Some families who initially tried going without sitters and nannies have relented, and public-health experts acknowledge that the strain was significant. Parents and nannies should have honest discussions about their expectations for mask-wearing and distancing. “But there is no way for a nanny to socially distance from a young kid she’s taking care of,” Dr. Chiang said. And there is no evidence that risk of transmission is lower for a younger nanny, she added.
Ultimately, parents have to weigh their threshold for risk when it comes to children’s interactions with others. And that same advice applies to day care, summer camp or school in the fall. Parents should consider the demands of their work, whether any household member is at high risk for severe Covid-19, the status of the outbreak in their community and administrators’ plans for keeping children and staffers at least in fixed and distanced groups. Also, look for policies requiring children and staffers to be screened for symptoms.
In other words, Dr. Chiang said, if the spread of coronavirus in your community is low, if administrators seem to be taking risk reduction seriously and if parents have to work from home or are essential workers, sending young kids to day care or school may make sense.
“The logistics of keeping kids out of school, but still trying to educate them, go far beyond just infectious diseases,” Dr. Starke. “They go into economics, they go into social structure, and they go into families.”
Dr. Chiang has the same decisions to make. When her daughter’s day care reopened, she spoke with the facility’s director about distancing, disinfection and other coronavirus-related policies. Statistics, family composition, and the age of her daughter also must be considered.
“With her being 2 1/2, the risk that she’s going to have severe disease from Covid-19 or develop MIS-C is tiny,” Dr. Chiang said. “We don’t have any older family members living with us or in town, so we don’t have to consider her getting infected at day care and infecting grandma and grandpa. And the benefits she gets from day care are amazing.”
Dr. Starke’s take is a little different. If he had young children now, given the current runaway outbreak in Texas, he would not let them stray far from home. “The virus doesn’t make allowances for our coronavirus fatigue nor for our need for fellowship,” he said. “The virus is looking for a place to jump from one person to another. That’s it. And that’s why distancing, masking, and hygiene work. If we do those three things, the virus literally has no place to go.”
Robin Lloyd is a contributing editor at Scientific American magazine
 

AngryMetalsmith

Business is good, thanks for asking
Jun 4, 2006
21,311
10,571
I have no idea where I am
So my downtown decided to block off a street for outdoor dining tonight. We're in a a state that has had to hit pause because cases are still, ya know...SKYROCKETING. And of course less than half of those wandering around are wearing masks. I just cannot imagine sitting down to dinner during a pandemic and being comfortable. Hell I am on defense just to get gas.

Losing all faith in humanity as we are clearly going with the Herpes approach to this virus. Never going to get rid of the gift that keeps giving, and giving...
 

6thElement

Schrodinger's Immigrant
Jul 29, 2008
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I thought COVID-19 was fixed now that we've moved on to more critical issues like re-vamping the rose garden at the White House?