[Andyman_1970]

In reference to the "One True Faith" ( ), your should always capitalize the "s", i.e. State. :

LOL, my lower case "s" stands with regards to my reference to the church of the LDS.........

.....And it's a good thing indeed that we have such great mountain biking out here, otherwise - aside from the National Parks - this state wouldn't have much to contribute to the world community. Fry Sauce notwithstanding. :evil:

If it weren't so far away from my family, I'd love to live in Utah, I'd be getting into spiritual kung fu matches all the time.............. :evil:

 

[jacksonpt]

I agree with the notion that which is correct is a worthless arguement... however which to teach is very important - especially to believes of the creation story.

How old are kids when they are taught about evolution these days? Old enough to be able to pick whether they want to learn about evolution or Creation? No doubt most kids would pick evolution because of the general uncoolness factor of religion amongst 10-16 year olds, but...

 

[Westy]

No doubt most kids would pick evolution because of the general uncoolness factor of religion amongst 10-16 year olds, but...

You live in a heathen blue state. I would not say kids consider relgion uncool everywhere. My neices in South Dakota tell me kids in their school are taunted/teased and beat up if they do things considered "unchristian" like read Harry Potter books .

 

[jacksonpt]

You live in a heathen blue state. I would not say kids consider relgion uncool everywhere. My neices in South Dakota tell me kids in their school are taunted/teased and beat up if they do things considered "unchristian" like read Harry Potter books .

Seriously??? I'm 29, so I'm kinda out of touch with what's "cool" these days, but from what I've seen - it ain't going to church. But hey... maybe times are a changin.

 

[narlus]

You live in a heathen blue state. I would not say kids consider relgion uncool everywhere. My neices in South Dakota tell me kids in their school are taunted/teased and beat up if they do things considered "unchristian" like read Harry Potter books .

that's awesome that they use unchristian tactics (taunt/tease/beat up) to berate people who do (in their estimation) unchristian things.

 

[Westy]

Seriously??? I'm 29, so I'm kinda out of touch with what's "cool" these days, but from what I've seen - it ain't going to church. But hey... maybe times are a changin.

I think it is a regional thing. Their school seems to be ruled by some kind of moralist thuggery. Where I went ot school you'd get beat up for not having the right logo embroidered on your shirt.

 

[jacksonpt]

Where in VA are you? My wife has family in Lynchburgh, and there's definitely a stronger "support" of religion in that area than there is up here.

 

[Andyman_1970]

My neices in South Dakota tell me kids in their school are taunted/teased and beat up if they do things considered "unchristian" like read Harry Potter books .

How very un Jesus like of them.............beat people up in the Name of Jesus............nice...........

 

[clancy98]

yes true but they ARE schoolkids.

Are we gonna ream them next, and show them who's boss?

then we'll all feel better. yeah.

 

[Westy]

How very un Jesus like of them.............beat people up in the Name of Jesus............nice...........

They are just stupid kids. They find the darndest things to separate themselves to develope some kind of hierarchy, it also shows how impressionable kids are to misguided comments from adults.

Where in VA are you? My wife has family in Lynchburgh, and there's definitely a stronger "support" of religion in that area than there is up here.

I'm in Charlottesville Va, 60 miles north of Lynchburg, I have no idea what the state of religion is around here. Said bullying in my neices school takes place in Siox Falls South Dakota.

 

[Andyman_1970]

They are just stupid kids. They find the darndest things to separate themselves to develope some kind of hierarchy, it also shows how impressionable kids are to misguided comments from adults.

Unfortunately from adults who probably claim to be followers of Jesus....... :mumble:

 

[clancy98]

**** then we'd better kick them too, huh?

 

[llkoolkeg]

Originally Posted by llkoolkeg
What exactly are you trying to suggest, Silver? That I "push loose pseudo-science on kids", that I am part of a "head-in-the-sand community whose beliefs are so fragile that they fear anyone to speak contrary to their views" or that I as a Christian have a persecution complex? If it is, as I suspect, the latter, I would point out that atheists seem much more brave about confronting Christian dragons than those who might otherwise point the finger of racism at them. I suspect atheists dislike all religions, but Christians happen to be the "safest" target in a world dominated by Western sensibilities.

If you support the ID movement, yes to question 1.

From your comments in this thread, yes to question 2.

For what it's worth, I think all religions are as pointless as any other. However, the fact that I'm not railing against Muslims in this thread is because they aren't at the vanguard of a movement in the country I live in trying to teach myth in science class.

I don't support any movement other than the passage of $hit through my bowels. I am a Christian and denominationally, a Lutheran. I don't push anything, be it religion or herb. I state my opinion, like it or not, and worry not a whit about my approval ratings here.

Your response to #2 only illustrates that you really don't hear even when your claim and appear to listen. I am not a part of any "head-in-the-sand-community" unless you mean to say that all Christians are irrefutably and by definition ignorant. My beliefs are anything but fragile and if you think I fear opposing viewpoints, you really have no clue as to what I'm about.

I stand by #3. Your history here speaks for itself when it comes to your stance on the Christian religion and its practitioners. I'm afraid no courage points will be given for your attempting to count coup on wounded opponents.

 

[Silver]

I am not a part of any "head-in-the-sand-community" unless you mean to say that all Christians are irrefutably and by definition ignorant.

If you support teaching ID or creationism in science class, you are by definition scientifically ignorant. There is no difference between that and a Trekkie who thinks we need to spend time in physics on the way a warp drive works, or a Star Wars fan that wants to include the study of Wookie habitat in an ecology class.

 

[Silver]

I stand by #3. Your history here speaks for itself when it comes to your stance on the Christian religion and its practitioners.

Really? You get the feeling I have stong opinions on the subject? Whatever gave you that idea?

But if you think it's only Christianity that I find ridiculous, I'd have to say that the ole' persecution complex is hard at work again.

 

[mack]

"head-in-the-sand community whose beliefs are so fragile that they fear anyone to speak contrary to their views" .

Yes.

 

[MMike]

or a Star Wars fan that wants to include the study of Wookie habitat in an ecology class.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

That was good.

 

[clancy98]

Simmer down Silver. Your making all the RM racists jealous.

 

[llkoolkeg]

If you support teaching ID or creationism in science class, you are by definition scientifically ignorant. There is no difference between that and a Trekkie who thinks we need to spend time in physics on the way a warp drive works, or a Star Wars fan that wants to include the study of Wookie habitat in an ecology class.

Where did I say that I support teaching ID or creationism in science class? I didn't...and for the record, I don't. You were just making erroneous assumptions, jumping to conclusions and incorrectly lumping all Christians into the same homogenous pot.

 

[Silver]

Lot of ifs in front of my posts. If you support teaching it: It took you this long to say you didn't? Well then, I don't have much of a quarrel with you about this. It really doesn't matter to me what other people think. I don't drive around looking at people and saying to myself, "I bet that guy is a Muslim! Oh, over there...gotta be a Christian! Scum! Scum!"

Sure, a little sticker that says Jesus Rocks! on the back of your 60K SUV makes me chuckle a bit...but so does a Dale Earnhart 3. Sue me.

That doesn't matter too much though. You said you considered the debate pointless. It really isn't. There is something very important going on here, which MikeD has touched on nicely earlier on.

 

[llkoolkeg]

Really? You get the feeling I have stong opinions on the subject? Whatever gave you that idea?

But if you think it's only Christianity that I find ridiculous, I'd have to say that the ole' persecution complex is hard at work again.

I have no doubt that from your lofty angle on the world, you find many things of value ridiculous. I don't personally feel persecuted and your fruitless attempt to pigeonhole me into a label you're comfortable with was just that.

 

[llkoolkeg]

Yes.

I propose that you amend your username to "sack".

 

[Silver]

I look at ID as simply a more sophisticated rebuttal or backlash against the unyielding assault against religion(or at least Christian religion) perpetrated by ego-masturbating intellectuals who are so immodest as to believe that we'll one day have the universe quantified, life reduced to a formula and the concept of God erased by mathematical proof.

You don't feel persecuted, but you feel that there is an unyielding assault against your religion?

Which is it?

 

[llkoolkeg]

You don't feel persecuted, but you feel that there is an unyielding assault against your religion?

Which is it?

Both.

I don't feel persecuted because I don't consider myself a victim and nobody has done anything to me personally(at least that I'm aware of) due to my status as a Christian. Christianity, however, is on the defensive. Unfortunately, many people equate "Christian" with "Roman Catholic" or "Born Again" and do not comprehend how different Christians are from one another. If you were a naive person, you might believe w/o ever having met one, that Christians are just simpleminded, gullible, snake-handling and strychnine-chugging anal rape survivors hell-bent on enslaving brown peoples and remolding the world in a puritan image. Christians would be just another oddity to point at, whisper about or jeer while flying by their horse & buggy in your new Chrysler 300. For whatever reason, being Christian just ain't cool anymore...it's the new punk.

 

[Silver]

That's a persecution complex hard at work.

You do realize that Christians haven't had a stranglehold on the country politically and socially as strong as they do now for maybe 100 years? They've even stopped fighting each other to band together against the infidels. I think it's a dying gasp (not for religion, but for the intermingling of religion and politics) but I'm not having fun being around to watch it die.

 

[clancy98]

Silver what did your parents do to you to make you hate everybody so much?


edit woohoo 666 views!

 

[llkoolkeg]

That's a persecution complex hard at work.

You do realize that Christians haven't had a stranglehold on the country politically and socially as strong as they do now for maybe 100 years? They've even stopped fighting each other to band together against the infidels. I think it's a dying gasp (not for religion, but for the intermingling of religion and politics) but I'm not having fun being around to watch it die.

No, that's a misdiagnosis by one that I suspect lacks the credentials to offer one at all, much less with a straight face.

That's just your paranoia cropping up. Religion was much more powerful 100 years ago than today. I think the current situation less a dying gasp than an angry backlash against churlish attempts at premature burial.

 

[blue]

In reference to the "One True Faith" ( ), your should always capitalize the "s", i.e. State.

.....And it's a good thing indeed that we have such great mountain biking out here, otherwise - aside from the National Parks - this state wouldn't have much to contribute to the world community. Fry Sauce notwithstanding. :evil:

Hahahaha, so true!

 

[Andyman_1970]

For whatever reason, being Christian just ain't cool anymore...it's the new punk.

Sweet I've always wanted to be punk...................

 

[Andyman_1970]

If you were a naive person, you might believe w/o ever having met one, that Christians are just simpleminded, gullible, snake-handling and strychnine-chugging anal rape survivors hell-bent on enslaving brown peoples and remolding the world in a puritan image. Christians would be just another oddity to point at, whisper about or jeer while flying by their horse & buggy in your new Chrysler 300.

Even the micro "e community" here on the Monkey Christians come in different shapes and flavors........so please Silver don't lump us all together with the street preaching "turn or burn" types..........

 

[Silver]

The funny thing is, my knowledge of theology (especially conservative protestant theology and Calvinism specifically) is better than anyone else's here except for Andyman. So I have a bit of a bemused grin on my face when I get accused of not knowing anything about Christians. I don't actively go around hating Christians. My whole family would qualify if that was the case.

I really don't care for the politically active version that we see lately. The only thing that corrupts a religion faster than money may be politics. And if you don't think that Christianity has gained power lately, let's look at a quote from Barry Goldwater (that ****ing pinko commmie):

"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise.
There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious
beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than
Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme
being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's
behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are
growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with
wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following
their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups
on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a
loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the
political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if
I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.'
Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to
claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even
more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every
religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my
vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today:
I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their
moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "

Can you imagine him winning the GOP nomination in the last decade? Or the next?

 

[Changleen]

Barry sounds like a dude. Isn't there a building or Terminal named after him in SF somewhere? The name so rings a bell.... The Barry M. Goldwater something or other? Is that right?

 

[Silver]

Barry sounds like a dude. Isn't there a building or Terminal named after him in SF somewhere? The name so rings a bell.... The Barry M. Goldwater something or other? Is that right?

You don't know who Goldwater is?

Check out wikipedia, I'd guess they might have a little write up on him.

 

[Changleen]

Don't make me type... It's past 4:20...

OK, OK...

(...wikiwikiwiki...)

They've got a big write up.

Ah, I know where I heard it now - It's the terminal building at Skyharbour in Phoenix. Man, that's an Airport I've been to too many times.

So he was a conservative who from back when conservatives were still sensible human beings. Cool.

Edit: "You can't legislate morality" - Good chap!

 

[fluff]

The funny thing is, my knowledge of theology (especially conservative protestant theology and Calvinism specifically) is better than anyone else's here except for Andyman.

You sure 'bout dat?

 

[Changleen]

Yeah, I think you'll find Enkidu has a pretty good grasp of things like that...

 

[clancy98]

. I don't actively go around hating Christians. My whole family would qualify if that was the case.

then why do you do it here?

 

[MikeD]

Good chap!

Wow, I think Hell's air conditioning just kicked in...

MD

 

[llkoolkeg]

I really don't care for the politically active version that we see lately. The only thing that corrupts a religion faster than money may be politics. And if you don't think that Christianity has gained power lately, let's look at a quote from Barry Goldwater (that ****ing pinko commmie):

"However, on religious issues there can be little or no compromise.
There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious
beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than
Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme
being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's
behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are
growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with
wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following
their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups
on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a
loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the
political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if
I want to be a moral person, I must believe in 'A,' 'B,' 'C,' and 'D.'
Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to
claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even
more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every
religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my
vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today:
I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their
moral convictions to all Americans in the name of 'conservatism.' "

Do you have a problem with PACs in general, or just religious ones? I wish that it was possible to get things done in some other way, but that is not realistic in today's world. If you want your voice to be heard, you'd better have your own PAC. It sounds more like Goldwater misses the good ol' days when you bought politicians with cash, high-roller vacations, liquor and hookers. This having his arm twisted behind his back just doesn't appeal to him. The least they could do is wine & dine him at Dominique's while asking for his support!

 

[Westy]

Do you have a problem with PACs in general, or just religious ones? I wish that it was possible to get things done in some other way, but that is not realistic in today's world. If you want your voice to be heard, you'd better have your own PAC. It sounds more like Goldwater misses the good ol' days when you bought politicians with cash, high-roller vacations, liquor and hookers. This having his arm twisted behind his back just doesn't appeal to him. The least they could do is wine & dine him at Dominique's while asking for his support!

You don't think politicians are bought and sold these days?