[llkoolkeg]

You don't think politicians are bought and sold these days?

They have been courted, honemooned, bought, traded and sold for as long as history has been recorded.

I was just saying that perhaps he preferred the moose lodge/good ol' boy version instead of having to sneak to motels around the expose' cameras or attend boring dinners with blowhards.

 

[Silver]

You missed Goldwater's point:

You can argue with a normal lobby. You can't argue with God. It's the ultimate argument from authority. Which is cool when you want to live in a theocracy. It also might not be as bad if God got off his ass and told everyone the same thing, but he doesn't seem to want to do that.

We'd probably both agree that a PAC lobbying for Sharia law is a bad idea. I just pop all religions into that same box, and you (understandably) want yours to be special.

 

[dhtahoe]

Personally I think being from another world came here and said. "Hey let's mix our DNA with these apes over here and see what happens".

 

[llkoolkeg]

You missed Goldwater's point:

You can argue with a normal lobby. You can't argue with God. It's the ultimate argument from authority. Which is cool when you want to live in a theocracy. It also might not be as bad if God got off his ass and told everyone the same thing, but he doesn't seem to want to do that.

We'd probably both agree that a PAC lobbying for Sharia law is a bad idea. I just pop all religions into that same box, and you (understandably) want yours to be special.

No, I missed the opportunity to agree with you on what his most relevant point was. I grant Goldwater the intelligence to realize he is arguing with politically-motivated representations of interpretations of God's will.

And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate.

The guy's just POed that all the religious PACs don't get together, collectively decide his vote on issues(so long as it does not conflict with the wishes of a BIGGER contributor) and then put together a nice big contribution to his re-election. He just doesn't like a different one calling him up after every single vote pissed because he didn't "stand with them" on that particular sub-issue.

 

[Silver]

You almost sound like you don't know who Goldwater was...you keep talking about him in present tense.

 

[MikeD]

My comments follow the article. Actually, forget my comments, because I'm tired of discussing this. But this still blows my mind.
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Zoo to feature creationism display

Wednesday, June 8, 2005 Posted: 9:14 PM EDT (0114 GMT)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/06/08/zoo.display.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories

TULSA, Oklahoma (AP) -- The Tulsa Zoo will add a display featuring the biblical account of creation following complaints to a city board about other displays with religious significance, including a Hindu elephant statue.

The Tulsa Park and Recreation Board voted 3-1 on Tuesday in favor of a display depicting God's creation of the world in six days and his rest on the seventh, as told in Genesis, the first book of the Bible.

The vote came after more than two hours of public comment from a standing-room-only crowd.

Zoo employees, religious leaders and others spoke in opposition, saying religion shouldn't be part of the taxpayer-funded scientific institution.

But those who favored the creationist exhibit, including Mayor Bill LaFortune, argued that the zoo already displayed religious items, including the statue of the Hindu god, Ganesh, outside the elephant exhibit and a marble globe inscribed with an American Indian saying: "The earth is our mother. The sky is our father."

"I see this as a big victory," said Dan Hicks, the Tulsa resident who approached the zoo with the idea. "It's a matter of fairness. To not include the creationist view would be discrimination."

Hundreds of people signed a petition supporting the exhibit.

The new display will include a disclaimer that says it represents one view. City attorneys also advised it be placed alongside other cultures' views of creation.

Tulsa Zoo exhibit curator Kathleen Buck-Miser estimated it would take about six months to research and organize the exhibit. She expressed qualms about the zoo delving into theological debate.

"I'm afraid we are going in the wrong direction," she said.

Board member Dale McNamara, who voted against the proposal, agreed.

"I do not like the idea of scripture at the zoo," she said.

Zoo officials had argued that the zoo does not advocate religion and that displays like the elephant statue are meant to show the animal's image among cultures. The same exhibit includes the Republican Party's elephant symbol.
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[jaydee]

I kind of think creationists belong in a zoo anyway.

 

[fluff]

This is actually democracy in action. Isn't that a good thing?

 

[Andyman_1970]

While I'm a Creationist, using a zoo to advocate that seems a bit odd to me, not bad just odd.

Anyway, that's Tulsa for you, the wacky Pentacostal/Charismatic Christian center of the US.................