Has anyone got their steel frame custom built from www.thickbikes.com ? Comments?
Does anyone know of any other custom steel downhill frame builders?
Does anyone know of any other custom steel downhill frame builders?
Good callOriginally posted by math2014
Give a try at keewee bikes nz.... they produce AWESOME STEEL DH bikes... and they are very well engineered. Full 4130 cromo. Oh and the price is 1/2 of the ones mentioned here...
this sucks...if its only 5yrsOriginally posted by Tenacious Doug
Pretty sure its a 5 year warranty on the Keewee.
What sucks about that?? A 5 year warranty is pretty damn good in my book!Originally posted by math2014
this sucks...if its only 5yrs
not for a steel frame... most companies offer 5yrs on allu or lifetime on steel.Originally posted by Tenacious Doug
What sucks about that?? A 5 year warranty is pretty damn good in my book!
Specialized (demo9, bighit, SX for 4x)Originally posted by narlus
please show me a DH mfg which carries a 5 year warranty, regardless of what material you are making it from.
Now show me just how many people still bother riding 5 year old DH bikes at races. Some, but not many.Originally posted by narlus
please show me a DH mfg which carries a 5 year warranty, regardless of what material you are making it from.
i guess it all depends on "use and abuse" and mode of failure. i've heard that spec'ed and giant is very generous w/ their warranty dept anyway, but i'm still a bit sceptical.Originally posted by math2014
Specialized (demo9, bighit, SX for 4x)
Banshee (scream)
Scott (hi-octane DH)
Giant (team DH)
Cannondale ( gemini dh)
Trek (diesel DH)
I totally agree with you mate. For racers its useless. For a weekend warrior who cannot afford 3500$ for frame every year or two though, warranties make a great deal of sense...they at least offer peace of mind.Originally posted by Tenacious Doug
Now show me just how many people still bother riding 5 year old DH bikes at races. Some, but not many.
Again as i replied to tenacious, i agree with this point. My concern though is, if i have or want to replace my frame/bike every 2/3 yrs with something newer or something to replace a broken frame... then definately i would ask for lower frame prices... call me stupid but, for a casual rider who wants to have weekend fun, 3000$ for a disposable frame is not a good idea. Make it not that easily disposable or make it cheaper and disposable... at least for me...who isnt a racer or sponsored ...just a weekend warrior.Originally posted by narlus
i guess it all depends on "use and abuse" and mode of failure. i've heard that spec'ed and giant is very generous w/ their warranty dept anyway, but i'm still a bit sceptical.
anyway, how many people are riding '00 frames these days? do you really want a DH bike to last that long, w/ the advances being made out there?
Sean Azarouski. I think thats how he spells it. I saw a mid-travel design of his over the winter and finally saw a Rompah this weekend. It looks very cool. He uses a lot of square tubing with mitered bends to form the rear ends. Looks nice.Originally posted by lanman
The "Rompah Stompah" made by Aztech. It's a tiny company owned by a guy in NH.....
I would still be riding my 2000 M-1 if I hadn't sold it.Originally posted by narlus
anyway, how many people are riding '00 frames these days? do you really want a DH bike to last that long, w/ the advances being made out there?
Sorry T, but I don't plan on selling my M1 until it breaks or gets so pounded that I can't stand to look at it. FSR is a proven design, and SPV makes everything better. My M1 is a 2002. When I started DHing, it made sense to upgrade every two years or so, but now the suspenmsion/shock designs seem to have plateaued. It was like the last 5 years saw massive inovations in suspension configuration and shock/fork design, and the next few years are going to see developments in stuuf like GBox technology. Looks like Honda could be poised to take over the DH market. Can't wait to see my first riced-out DH bike!Originally posted by narlus
anyway, how many people are riding '00 frames these days? do you really want a DH bike to last that long, w/ the advances being made out there?
very nice!Originally posted by sirbikealot
Hey
here is a great new steel bike company out of BC , i know the guy personally and he put his prototype bike through 2 years of hell to test it
http://www.darkcycles.com/
they also do some cool pedals and stuff
Agreed, let my buy a 2000$ frame with 6months workmanship warranty, and then offer me a lifetime crash replacement police at FACTORY cost... not Dealer cost.... ie, around 800$ for the same frame (correct me on the prices). I would pick that over any warranty...and i guess that would bring a lot of prices down...Originally posted by narlus
but other component advances can make a frame obsolete too, aside from rear shocks. how about rear hub (spacing and axles), bb interfaces, steerer tube size for forks, etc?
you can definitely still get life out of an older bike, but it's a diminishing returns thing (and if you do, say, break a 4 year old swingarm, what're the odds the company still has one in stock?). i tend to agree (as usual) w/ mental's take on things. granted, there are defects in materials and manufacturing, but usually a frame dies because of wear and tear.
Thats going to hit manufacturers pretty damn hard if they are selling crash replacements for a lifetime, at no profit to them OR to the dealer....everyone would be looking to wrap their frame around a tree after 2 or 3 years cause they know they will get a new one for next to nothing. That will drive some of the smaller manufacturers into the ground very quickly.Originally posted by math2014
Agreed, let my buy a 2000$ frame with 6months workmanship warranty, and then offer me a lifetime crash replacement police at FACTORY cost... not Dealer cost.... ie, around 800$ for the same frame (correct me on the prices). I would pick that over any warranty...and i guess that would bring a lot of prices down...
i stand corrected! my bad.Originally posted by Tenacious Doug
Thats going to hit manufacturers pretty damn hard if they are selling crash replacements for a lifetime, at no profit to them OR to the dealer....everyone would be looking to wrap their frame around a tree after 2 or 3 years cause they know they will get a new one for next to nothing. That will drive some of the smaller manufacturers into the ground very quickly.
That wouldnt drive cost down, it would drive them up from all the frames that they were making zero profit from.
To be honest I see any sort of lifetime crash replacement scheme as being a bad thing, at least a warranty is to a degree controllable by the manufacturer who can ensure they have a quality product going out onto the market. A crash replacement is a bit too open, someone comes into the shop with a 10 year old frame that they have wrapped around a tree but because of the crash replacement scheme the manufacturer has in place, I, the dealer, is expected to get them a new one without making a penny for myself!Originally posted by math2014
i stand corrected! my bad.
5yrs crash policy at cost
and then the rest at dealer cost maybe?
You got a bike shop dont you?Originally posted by Tenacious Doug
To be honest I see any sort of lifetime crash replacement scheme as being a bad thing, at least a warranty is to a degree controllable by the manufacturer who can ensure they have a quality product going out onto the market. A crash replacement is a bit too open, someone comes into the shop with a 10 year old frame that they have wrapped around a tree but because of the crash replacement scheme the manufacturer has in place, I, the dealer, is expected to get them a new one without making a penny for myself!
If I wrap my car round a tree I wouldnt expect the dealer to give me a new one without making a profit on it, I know the situations are different but you can see what I am getting at.
I still think that 5 years is a reasonable lifespan for a high end DH frame, if I was buying a frame tomorrow I would see a full 5 year warranty as being very generous, 1 year warranty and 5 year crash replacement (at a price that still makes the dealer a %) would still be good in my books.