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MikeD

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And frankly, this time it's got zero to do with them being police; anyone lawfully armed has a right to defend himself against deadly force. I love how the mother concludes that the two lawfully-armed police officers were "looking for trouble," whereas her handgun-armed 14 year old was just an innocent victim.

http://www.nbc4.com/news/14136716/detail.html

WASHINGTON -- Police said Tuesday that a 14-year-old who was shot and killed during a shootout involving District officers apparently provoked the incident.
Authorities said that just before 7 p.m. Monday, two off-duty officers in plain clothes responded to a report that one of their homes had been burglarized.
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Police Chief Cathy Lanier said the officers drove around the area in hopes of finding one of the stolen items -- a mini bike. Lanier said one of the officers saw the teen on a mini-bike in the 600 block of Atlantic Street in Southeast at about 7:40 p.m. and approached in a civilian vehicle. At that point, police said, the teen opened fire and struck the officer's car at least once.
Lanier said the officer returned fire without having a chance to identify himself, hitting the teen once in the head.
"My understanding is that when the officer pulled up next to the decedent on the mini-bike to ask him about the mini-bike, as soon as the officer pulled up, the decedent opened fire, striking the officer's vehicle while the officer was still in the vehicle, and the officer's initial return of fire he was still in the vehicle so he did not have time to identify himself," Lanier said.
According to Lanier, the officer who fired was the officer whose home was burglarized. He fired eight shots, and the teen fired three shots, police said.
The teen later died at a local hospital. He was identified as Deonte Rawlins. His stepmother, Sheila Rawlins, questioned the shooting.
"Off duty, in plain clothes, carrying pistols?" she said. "You were looking for trouble. You were looking for trouble. You were determined you were going to kill somebody. How would you feel if someone did that to your child?"
Police have not recovered the teen's weapon, and the officers are on routine paid administrative leave.
Mayor Adrian Fenty said it has not been confirmed that the mini-bike that Deonte Rawlins was riding is the property of the officer.
"My sympathies go out to the family. It is never easy to lose a loved one, especially a young person," Lanier said. "I have promised the family that my Department will conduct a thorough and detailed review of the officers' actions. And as always, whenever there is a police-involved shooting, the United States Attorney's Office will conduct an independent review."
The officer who fired the shots is a 22-year veteran assigned to the department's special operations division. The other officer is a 19-year veteran with the training academy. with deadly force.
 

BurlyShirley

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Hmmm.. that the teen who was shot dead's weapon has not been found is questionable, you have to admit.
 

MikeD

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Well, I'll admit that I haven't particularly delved into things beyond the AP coverage...since there was a fed investigation and they noted in the article that the officer's car had been struck [presumably by a round not traced to an officer's gun...else how could they say the teen fired], I kinda took that as definitive.
 

Ciaran

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Very sad, but sounds pretty straight forward. Judging from the information presented in the article, I don't think one can fault the cops.
 

Damo

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Did you not watch the video?

Witnesses say the cops left the scene, then returned soon after.
Witnesses have said that the kid had no gun and was getting off the bike when he was shot in the head.
The kids gun was not found - a bit strange?

Cop's story vs public story.
I'm certainly not saying the cops are lying. I'm sure in neighbourhoods like this the families stick together. But you have to admit, it is a weird story.
 

sanjuro

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It is hard to believe witnesses in this case. There is an very anti-police sentiment around DC and I can easily believe they would lie or just get it wrong.

Officers cleared in fatal shooting

May 2, 2008

By Gary Emerling - Federal authorities yesterday said they will not pursue criminal charges against two off-duty D.C. police officers connected to the fatal shooting of a teenager in Southeast last year.

"We are all of the view that what happened that night was a tragedy," said Jeffrey A. Taylor, U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, whose office supervised an investigation into the shooting of DeOnte Rawlings. "It's our judgment after conducting an exhaustive investigation ... that there is no evidence of a crime in this case."

DeOnte, 14, was killed Sept. 17 after officials said an off-duty Metropolitan Police Department officer, James Haskel, noticed a minibike missing from his home.

He and another off-duty officer, Anthony Clay, drove around the neighborhood in search of the bike, and authorities say they found DeOnte with it in an alley between Yuma and Atlantic streets in Southeast.

Gunfire ensued, and an autopsy showed the teen was killed by a bullet that hit the back of his head. The days that followed pitted an infuriated community against the police department, and Mayor Adrian M. Fenty and police Chief Cathy L. Lanier turned the bulk of the shooting investigation over to the FBI, under supervision of the U.S. Attorney's office.

Mr. Taylor and Joseph Persichini Jr. — assistant director of the FBI's Washington field office — said yesterday that the combination of 42 interviews with witnesses, reviews of forensic and physical evidence and ShotSpotter data led them to not press charges against the officers.

They said the investigation indicated that after the officers found DeOnte with the bike, the teen fired first. Officer Haskel shot back and the teen began running in a southeast direction, firing another shot.

Another shot by the officer struck DeOnte in the back of the head and he fell roughly 90 feet away from the police. As many as 12 gunshots were fired within the six-second altercation, officials said, with DeOnte firing three to four.

"Rawlings is running and [continued] to shoot back, which entitled, in our judgment, the officer to continue shooting to defend himself," Mr. Taylor said.

Officials said they still have not recovered a gun used by DeOnte in the shooting. They said witness accounts "put a gun in DeOnte Rawlings' hand," but declined to say whether witnesses other than the officers made that statement.

Officer Clay also left the immediate scene of the shooting but drove only a short distance away.

The conclusion of the 7-month probe clears the way for an administrative investigation into the officers' actions by the police department.

Metropolitan Police Department spokeswoman Traci Hughes said the department has 90 days to complete the review, and that both officers are on administrative leave. They will be placed on "no-contact" status once police receive official notice of the federal decision not to press charges.

After being briefed by officials of the decision yesterday morning, Charles Rawlings Jr., DeOnte's brother, said he missed and loved his brother.

"We can't get no justice for my brother," he said. "It shouldn't have happened to him, none of this shouldn't have happened. So now he's gone, he's dead. And we still — not yet — have not gotten no justice at all."

A federal judge yesterday also gave the Rawlings family permission to proceed with discovery in a $100 million civil suit against the officers and the District.

"We simply do not value every life the same, and that's an unfortunate situation," said the family's attorney, Greg Lattimer.

"And it's once-again been proven by the actions of the U.S. Attorney's office today ... 'My son is dead but they're not going to do anything.' That's difficult to swallow for any parent."

In a statement, Mr. Fenty, a Democrat, called DeOnte's death "a tragic loss for his family" and said "the entire community continues to mourn for them."

"Now that this process is complete, we will work to ensure that the community and our officers who put their lives on the line every day continue to heal together," Mr. Fenty said.
 

moff_quigley

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"It shouldn't have happened to him, none of this shouldn't have happened. So now he's gone, he's dead. And we still — not yet — have not gotten no justice at all."

Maybe if the kid wasn't robbing houses in the first place. What's my motivation to feel empathy for this situation? I realize that two wrongs don't make the killing "right" but I'm not sure I'll ever understand the point of view of the bereaved in these kinds of situations.
 

Westy

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I think the larger question here is what the hell is a cop doing with a mini-bike?

This sounds like a script from CHiPs that went horribly wrong.
 

moff_quigley

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Well their kid just died. I'd start there.
Well yeah, but the prevailing POV seems to be that the "victim" is innocent in all this and "justice needs to be served" when superficially it appears the victim isn't innocent and justice was sorta served if you follow me.

edit: I am in no way implying that death is the appropriate punishment for stealing. Or at least I don't mean to. Reports do say that it was a "shoot-out."
 

$tinkle

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undoubtedly stolen from the scene by a 10 year old...
ding! ding! ding!

anybody besides me ever been to this neighborhood (only once @ night)? a few blocks away is the intersection of MLK & Malcom X blvd. do i need to elaborate? their 24 hr chicken restaurants (carry-out only, order through turnstile) have more bullet proof glass than most banks. i only knew one white guy to ever live there, and he slept against the front door every night w/ a pistol.

rough town.
 
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one more dead criminal=less crime in the future. if he's breaking into homes and shooting at cops at 14 what would he be doing when he's 18 or 21, stabbing pregnant women for their purses? :lighten:
 

nwd_26

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So, the off duty cops shoot the kid who they say fired first and the gun just happens to get misplaced?

Hmmm....
my immediate reaction to this was the same ^^^...be suspicious of the cops.

but you guys raised good points about anti-police sentiments, etc.

and honestly, the mom....?

her kid pops off shots at a cop, and gets killed. holy crap, who saw that coming?

this makes me wonder what's up with society...a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD shoots someone (or at least tries to) over some stolen property. why wouldn't he just drop the minibike and run? :disgust1:
 

Silver

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I'd feel a whole lot better if someone other than a police officer saw the kid with a gun.

We still don't know if that's the case. Sure, the other witnesses might be lying, but I'm not inclined to give a couple of cowboy police officers the benefit of the doubt either.
 

$tinkle

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I'd feel a whole lot better if someone other than a police officer saw the kid with a gun.
since this was a "running gun battle" (numerous articles cite this), that would be strange with the assumed opportunities. ain't like stepping forward against cops would be seen as snitchin', but what do i know.
We still don't know if that's the case. Sure, the other witnesses might be lying, but I'm not inclined to give a couple of cowboy police officers the benefit of the doubt either.
i'm inclined to believe these officers are black, as they live nearby. read one story which said d.c. officials will not release their pictures. i bet the reason they left the scene was probably due to fear of not being able to defend themselves against the natives once it was known that cops killed a boy. might also be the same motivation why they returned in a different car, but sure doesn't help their claim they were defending themselves.

look for a pile of cash to be dealt out quietly.