Dear God. SX Trail
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She's a beaut, that looks like such a perfect all around bike.
anyone notice the remote res 5th coil??
How come I don't find that bike attractive. I don't like the welds, colour, tubing bends...nothing. (and no I don't like the demo9, 8 7 6 or any others they come out with either)...maybe its the fact I can't get the $$$$$$$$ to stop appearing in front of the frame every time I see one. 
Yeah I noticed, actually I'm still laughing at how silly it looks (IMO, of course). Also looks like it'll get bent or broken at full travel. I guess they figured a flex hose would be more vulnerable? I dunno, looks like a last minute cobble job to me...but the rest of the bike sure looks fun.
the one with the fox 36 fork on it makes me feel funny in the pants 
The headangles on the SX Trail... 68.5 degrees with a 6" 66 mounted on the front. That means that the only way you're slacking that baby out any more is with a 7" 66, or an 8" fork, seeing as the 66 is at least as tall if not taller than most other 7" forks on the market.
Hmm...
Hmm...
Roasted said:How come I don't find that bike attractive. I don't like the welds, colour, tubing bends...nothing. (and no I don't like the demo9, 8 7 6 or any others they come out with either)...maybe its the fact I can't get the $$$$$$$$ to stop appearing in front of the frame every time I see one.
You don't like the welds?
LOL, how can you tell what the welds look like?
....and what tubing bends? All of the tubes are straight, with the exception of the DT just behind the HT.
Have you seen one in person yet?
Ok kids. Could we reserve damnations of performance and durability until more than one of these bikes actually exists and has been ridden?
There is currently ONE in existance. So w/o actually seeing it and riding it how can you possibly comment?
There is currently ONE in existance. So w/o actually seeing it and riding it how can you possibly comment?
This is an internet message board...we don't wait to do stuff like use products before we review themDamn True said:
Having said that, that is one slack trailbike...
Silver said:This is an internet message board...we don't wait to do stuff like use products before we review them
Having said that, that is one slack trailbike...
Excellent point my friend.
On the second point: You ride your bike with zero sag front and rear?
Psst, the bike is aimed at the Freeride-light segment. I.E. not Red-Bull, but the stuff most of us enjoy.
Funny, I see bent tubing (I guess I like the box look of bikes and not shaped, maybes thats a better term)...and no I haven't seen one in person but the front end looks like it adopts its looks from the demo series which I don't like.Damn True said:
And sorry I don't mean the welds themselves aren't nice...obviously I can't see those. I was just talking the whole front end. In short, from the pictures...the bikes is ugly. Who knows I have changed my mind before once I see a bike in person. But the demo series looked awesome in picture and then I didn't like it in person.
As for performance. I don't know nearly enough specifically about geometry and stuff to judge that. I still wouldn't turn down a ride, I just think its ugly
I need to play and win the lotto..so I can have one of each new specialized bikes and keep my DHR for racing 
yea, thats gonna happen! :evil:
yea, thats gonna happen! :evil:
I had my hands on one last week, in Norway - there must be several around now ?Damn True said:
Nope, my only bike is a Bullit...this looks pretty much like it's aiming at the same category, maybe a bit lighter.Damn True said:
As soon as the seat tilts like that, it's more a bike meant to be pedalled standing up, not sitting down
dman thats pimp I mite have to sell my big hit to get one(if that SX isnt to much money)
I heart that Slalom/MTX one. The old ones are so quick, I hope the new one keeps up.
The geometry #'s listed in the NSMB article and in Specialized's literature are for the frame with "fork X" mounted on it, "fork X" being the intended a-2-c for that frame. In this case I think "fork X" is the Fox 36 (set to 6"). They list the same exact geo specs for the regular Enduro's also. Since I know that the two frames (regular Enduro and SX trail) are identical in construction/geometry, I'm thinking that with the 66 (6") the head tube is more like 66.5"-ish...binary visions said:
Just realized that the specs show the same BB height for both models also, which is obviously not possible with a fork that is so much taller. The headtube is for sure more slack than 68.5º on the SX trail...
Good call.. Hadn't looked closely enough.
Id ride one.
What's the point of a remote resevoir on a bike that can easily accept a standard shock?
It looks cool?
I don't think the SX trail is the same as a bullit. Probably more of a hecklerish bike? I have a bighit and heckler and the heckler is easier to pedal, manuever, and just more responsive and faster on the snap. We will see how it is when it comes out ig uess.
I don't think the SX trail is the same as a bullit. Probably more of a hecklerish bike? I have a bighit and heckler and the heckler is easier to pedal, manuever, and just more responsive and faster on the snap. We will see how it is when it comes out ig uess.
There is no way to fit a regular shock on that bike. The hole which the shock passes through is barely big enough for a non-reservoir shock. If you want to have more oil capcaity, you need a remote...Matt D said:
An interesting tidbit regarding HT angle on the SX Trail: If you look at the '05 catalog, you will notice the SX Trail has a zip-tie going from the arch to the crown on the 66 fork. I would assume that is to compress the fork a little for the picture and not make the HT angle look super slack. The image on the disc has the zip-tie photoshopped out. Hmm. :evil:punkassean said:
Here's a comparison pic of the SX Trail v. the Enduro Pro, notice the minimal difference between HTº's/BB heights of the two bikes. Even if the zip-tie is compressing the fork an inch then the true geometry wouldn't be inappropriate for a bike of this genre. In photoshop, I measured the exposed stanchion of the Fox 36 pictured and it was almost exactly the same as the distance on the 66 pictured on the SX trail. Knowing that Fox Forx always compress right up to the crown tells me that there is pretty close to 6" of exposed stanchion in that pic... Just speculating but I doubt if they compressed that fork more than 1" max for the pic since that would meant the 66 has over 7" of exposed stanchion for 6" of travel.Dogboy said:
The welds look very good. The frame feels stiff and handels well (after a short testride).
It feels bigger than the old SX (i have the withe 02/03) even in the same size.
The colur also looks better in real life.
There must be more than one around. A guy i know was luckey enough to buy the sample from the norweigian agent. I adjusted the breakes for him and took it for a ride. (You can proberly find it in the woods around Trondheim ripping the trails). At the eurbike exebition in Germany there were at least two others i was druling on.
I want one.
I also have a Demo 9 built up for racing. I love that bike. (Just like my other three, including a road bike) Most people with strong opinions abuot it have never tested one.
I`m sad i don`t have S in the shop i run.
-And yes, my english sucks.
Snorre
It feels bigger than the old SX (i have the withe 02/03) even in the same size.
The colur also looks better in real life.
There must be more than one around. A guy i know was luckey enough to buy the sample from the norweigian agent. I adjusted the breakes for him and took it for a ride. (You can proberly find it in the woods around Trondheim ripping the trails). At the eurbike exebition in Germany there were at least two others i was druling on.
I want one.
I also have a Demo 9 built up for racing. I love that bike. (Just like my other three, including a road bike) Most people with strong opinions abuot it have never tested one.
I`m sad i don`t have S in the shop i run.
-And yes, my english sucks.
Snorre
I am possitive there is more than one. Saw one in person at the 24 hour race championship this weekend. Performed well in that race as a solo
Im building up an SX Trail this fall and I have a few question about the components. I ordered the frame because the complete bike wasnt available here in Sweden or in England as far as I know and its more fun to choose the components by your self. 
I have ordered an MZ Z1 1 2005 (150mm HSCV) fork for the bike but I dont know if its the perfect fork for me. The bike is supposed to be used for freeride mainly, but also for longer trail-rides and steep climbs. I like slack head-angles, but the MZ 66RC felt a bit too heavy and maybe the front would get too high for steep climbs?
At the same time the Z1 1 2005 has got 538mm rideheight, wich is close to the FOX 36 fork wich has got 535mm ride-height. Therefore Im worried that the geomtry will look like the ordinary Enduro (see picture above posted by punkassean).
What do you guys think? Is the MZ 66RC too heavy for longer trail-rides and too high (slack headangle) for steep climbs or will it work??? Maybe I should choose the 66RC instead?
I will go to Verbier next year to do some DH, but here in sweden most of the rides are either long technical trail-rides or street/urban with jumps/drops.
Please help me out!! :/
I have ordered an MZ Z1 1 2005 (150mm HSCV) fork for the bike but I dont know if its the perfect fork for me. The bike is supposed to be used for freeride mainly, but also for longer trail-rides and steep climbs. I like slack head-angles, but the MZ 66RC felt a bit too heavy and maybe the front would get too high for steep climbs?
At the same time the Z1 1 2005 has got 538mm rideheight, wich is close to the FOX 36 fork wich has got 535mm ride-height. Therefore Im worried that the geomtry will look like the ordinary Enduro (see picture above posted by punkassean).
What do you guys think? Is the MZ 66RC too heavy for longer trail-rides and too high (slack headangle) for steep climbs or will it work??? Maybe I should choose the 66RC instead?
I will go to Verbier next year to do some DH, but here in sweden most of the rides are either long technical trail-rides or street/urban with jumps/drops.
Please help me out!! :/
I would say to run more sag in the rear shock for DH application (maybe a 50# lighter spring or simply lower PSI in the air chamber, or both) and then stiffen for XC, better pedaling etc. By sagging the rear you will also slightly affect the geometry (slacken º's). I think the 66 is too slack for all-around use. I think the Z1 is perfect.
The SX trail looks like a sweet ass ride. I'm really psyched about them putting a coil over on the bike finally. That was one of the reasons I sold my Enduro is that I wanted a bike w/ a coil over. (not the only reason.....I realize I could've put a coil over on the one I had) I'm wondering why Specialized put a fifth element on a bike that already has efficient pedaling? My understanding of the fifth is it is there to create a stable platform for a suspension design that is not inherantly stable. Also, that article mentioned putting a 7" fork on the bike to change head angle, but that would void frame warrantees.
fez: Nope, I havent got it yet. It will probably be delivered in 2-3 weeks. I ordered it in september from England.
The picture of the SX Trail at the websize shows a medium-frame. I dont know what the small looks like. Mine will be in medium aswell.
Morryjg:
Probably because the frame isnt that pedal-effective. With 6" travel it gets even worse wich makes the 5th element a great choice. What do you think that they should have choosen instead of the 5th?
The picture of the SX Trail at the websize shows a medium-frame. I dont know what the small looks like. Mine will be in medium aswell.
Morryjg:
Probably because the frame isnt that pedal-effective. With 6" travel it gets even worse wich makes the 5th element a great choice. What do you think that they should have choosen instead of the 5th?
oly said:
Well, atleast it is not welded by a joint-smokin american.dirtyj said:
They are made in the same factory as the Giants frames as far as I know, and yes. They are welded by machines, but I do trust in machines.
They reservoir is fixed in the later pictures I have seen of the frame. Did you see the pictures of the SX Trail from interbike? There was a metal-piece that holded the whole reservoir in place, you can actually see two emtpy bolt-holes in the front shock-holding at the pictures from specialized's website, where this "holder" is fitted.ncrider said:
My enduro was really nice to pedal and it was 5x5. I'm not saying that putting a 5th on it is a bad thing, but I thought the main strength of a 5th was it's ability to smooth out the pedaling for an inefficient suspension. That being said, the 5th on a horst link suspension shouldn't move under hard pedaling.cal // sweden said:Probably because the frame isnt that pedal-effective. With 6" travel it gets even worse wich makes the 5th element a great choice. What do you think that they should have choosen instead of the 5th?
As for a choice of something other than the 5th.....who knows. I just wanted to see what other people thought.
