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Death of an Empire

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boob hater
Jan 24, 2004
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I reaallly really liked this...especially the last part about Social Conservatism.
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The beginning of the end?
By Leonard Pitts Jr.
Knight Ridder Newspapers

Beginning of the end?

By Leonard Pitts Jr. Knight Ridder Newspapers
Maybe this is where America ends.
A reader raised that notion in an e-mail to me even before this past week's election. Dismayed at the fractures and fissures exposed by an acrimonious presidential campaign and despairing of ever putting this Humpty Dumpty together again, he advanced a radical thesis.
We are, he pointed out, a nation founded not on common ancestry but rather, shared ideals: liberty and justice for all. Maybe, he said, that sort of bond ultimately cannot hold. It would be no surprise to him, he wrote, to see the United States split into two or more separate countries in his lifetime. He is 32.
I intend no endorsement of his prediction when I say that it struck me hard - mainly because I could not airily dismiss it. Could not say with certainty that it will not happen.
If and when it does, some observers will be primed to blame so-called hyphenated Americanism. But it seems apparent after last week that the fissure that divides us most dramatically is less about race or ethnicity than something larger: culture, an unresolved clash of world views, mores and norms. It's the morality, stupid.
Indeed, CNN reports that more exit poll respondents called that the most important issue of the election than cited Iraq, the economy or terrorism. Morality is, of course, a code word for antipathy toward gay rights and abortion. Those who shared that antipathy voted overwhelmingly for President Bush.
To say I am merely depressed that he was re-elected is to say the Titanic sustained a little paint damage. I speak not from any particular affinity for John Kerry but, rather, from a conviction that Bush's peculiar combination of faith-based zealotry and utter incompetence constitute a clear and present danger to national security and international stability.
After his re-election, someone sent me a note. Maybe now you'll understand, he crowed, that you don't represent America. This, based on a victory margin of 3 percent.
The president has issued honeyed words about reaching across ideological lines in the name of national unity. But given that he followed his last election - an even narrower victory - by turning to the right on two wheels, it seems a safe bet that he'll take from this victory the same moral as my correspondent. He'll think he's found himself a mandate.
That disconnect is not about liberalism vs. conservatism. Agree with them or disagree - I've done both - there is a certain pragmatism to traditional conservatives. You know where they're coming from: small government; personal responsibility; fiscal restraint. And their arguments are usually grounded in something recognizable as logic.
But social conservatism is another thing entirely, a mutant strain unhindered by critical thought. These are the nominal Christians whose Bibles are so long on judgment yet so short on compassion, the soldiers of the new American theocracy who want to force creation ''science'' on the schools and deportation on the Muslims. They are the super patriots who regard criticism as treason, the pious moralizers who believe single mothers should be barred from teaching in public schools. They are blind guides who see tens of thousands dying in Iraq and think the defining issue of the election is what gay men do in bed. They give God a bad name.
And their chosen leader is about to embark on his second term as president of the United States.
One nation splitting in two? I hope my reader is wrong.
But if he is not, Tuesday will loom large in history to those seeking to understand why. They'll call it the day the end began.
 

Damn True

Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
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Between a rock and a hard place.
One day Chicken Little was walking in the woods when -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell on her head
"Oh my goodness!" said Chicken Little. "The sky is falling! I must go and tell the king."

On her way to the king's palace, Chicken Little met Henny Penny. Henny Penny said that she was going into the woods to hunt for worms.
"Oh no, don't go!" said Chicken Little. "I was there and the sky fell on my head! Come with me to tell the king."

So Henny Penny joined Chicken Little and they went along and went along as fast as they could.

Soon they met Cocky Locky, who said, "I'm going to the woods to hunt for seeds."

"Oh no, don't go!" said Henny Penny. "The sky is falling there! Come with us to tell the king."

So Cocky Locky joined Henny Penny and Chicken Little, and they went along and went along as fast as they could.

Soon they met Goosey Poosey, who was planning to go to the woods to look for berries.

"Oh no, don't go!" said Cocky Locky. "The sky is falling there! Come with us to tell the king." So Goosey Poosey joined Cocky Locky, Henny Penny and Chicken Little, and they went along as fast as they could.

Then who should appear on the path but sly old Foxy Woxy.

"Where are you going, my fine feathered friends?" asked Foxy Woxy. He spoke in a polite manner, so as not to frighten them.

"The sky is falling!" cried Chicken Little. "We must tell the king."

"I know a shortcut to the palace," said Foxy woxy sweetly. "Come and follow me."

But wicked Foxy Woxy did not lead the others to the palace. He led them right up to the entrance of his foxhole. Once they were inside, Foxy Woxy was planning to gobble them up!

Just as Chicken Little and the others were about to go into the fox's hole, they heard a strange sound and stopped.

It was the king's hunting dogs, growling and howling.
How Foxy Woxy ran, across the meadows and through the forests, with the hounds close behind. He ran until he was far, far away and never dared to come back again.

After that day, Chicken Little always carried an umbrella with her when she walked in the woods. The umbrella was a present from the king. And if -- KERPLUNK -- an acorn fell, Chicken Little didn't mind a bit. In fact, she didn't notice it at all.
 

ncrider

Turbo Monkey
Aug 15, 2004
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Los Angeles
No not the chicken little story, the other one.
Doesn't the chicken little story sum up almost all liberals arguments perferctly? :think:
 

ALEXIS_DH

Tirelessly Awesome
Jan 30, 2003
6,257
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Lima, Peru, Peru
"To say I am merely depressed that he was re-elected is to say the Titanic sustained a little paint damage. I speak not from any particular affinity for John Kerry but, rather, from a conviction that Bush's peculiar combination of faith-based zealotry and utter incompetence constitute a clear and present danger to national security and international stability"


dont y´all think its faith-based leadership its a threat to the little international stability its left????
 

FlipSide

Turbo Monkey
Sep 24, 2001
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Very interesting read indeed! Not that there's anything new in it...but still worth reading it. It's just too bad the conservatives will just either defend themselves or try to make fun of it instead of thinking if there could be some truth to it.

But social conservatism is another thing entirely, a mutant strain unhindered by critical thought. These are the nominal Christians whose Bibles are so long on judgment yet so short on compassion, the soldiers of the new American theocracy who want to force creation ''science'' on the schools and deportation on the Muslims. They are the super patriots who regard criticism as treason, the pious moralizers who believe single mothers should be barred from teaching in public schools. They are blind guides who see tens of thousands dying in Iraq and think the defining issue of the election is what gay men do in bed. They give God a bad name.
:thumb:
 

Lexx D

Dirty Dozen
Mar 8, 2004
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NY
ncrider said:
blah,blah,blah, just anouther piece of liberal crap.
Perfect :thumb: It's posts like this that remind me how right i am about the majority of Bush supporters. Thank you.
 

ska todd

Turbo Monkey
Oct 10, 2001
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Damn True said:
What happens when "The Empire Strikes Back"?
AT-AT's attack, Luke gets whomped by a snow beast, Yoda is rad, Billy Dee William sells em out, Hans Solo gets frozen in carbonite, Vader says "who's your daddy", & Luke loses his hand...

But then the young liberal "rebels" (with the help of some teddy bears) come from behind for the victory and the happy ending :p

-ska todd
 

Lexx D

Dirty Dozen
Mar 8, 2004
1,480
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NY
ska todd said:
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But then the young liberal "rebels" (with the help of some teddy bears) come from behind for the victory and the happy ending :p

-ska todd
I like the sound of this ending.
 

ska todd

Turbo Monkey
Oct 10, 2001
1,776
0
Damn True said:
Whoah that sounds like gay porn.
See, all you Republicans are homophobes...that's the reason y'all won the Southern/Midwestern vote :p

-ska todd