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death penalty for child rapists

LordOpie

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Oct 17, 2002
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WASHINGTON - Proponents and opponents of imposing the death penalty for rape of a child underwent intense questioning Wednesday from a seemingly divided Supreme Court.

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How is this not already in place?

I disagree with the death penalty for any reason, but raping a child is equal to or worse than any other crime that yields the death penalty.
 

SPINTECK

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Oct 16, 2005
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Maybe b/c children have a tendancy to lie once in a while??

I'm against execution by the state for any reason b/c any system created by man is not perfect. But how could any state justify this law before DNA evidence?? People in this country love to kill people, just hope you never get caught "in the system".

Now if someone raped my kid, I'd kill 'em. But I don't represent an entire civilized society.
 

LordOpie

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Oct 17, 2002
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Maybe b/c children have a tendancy to lie once in a while??

I'm against execution by the state for any reason b/c any system created by man is not perfect. But how could any state justify this law before DNA evidence?? People in this country love to kill people, just hope you never get caught "in the system".

Now if someone raped my kid, I'd kill 'em. But I don't represent an entire civilized society.
The punishment is a seperate issue from the conviction. Regardless of whether it's a slap on the wrist or death penalty, they shouldn't convict someone if the evidence is lacking.

I agree with you that the death penalty is wrong, but you must agree that raping a child is as bad as any other crime that yields the death penalty, yeah?
 

Silver

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Jul 20, 2002
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You have an untenable philosophical position there Opie...unless you think that being raped is worse than being murdered? How'd you square that circle?
 

LordOpie

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Oct 17, 2002
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You have an untenable philosophical position there Opie...unless you think that being raped is worse than being murdered? How'd you square that circle?
Eh, I'm a geometric anomaly.

Cool so now when an 18 year old sleeps with their 16 year old GF they can be killed?
Yes, because the court system never ever considers such things. They are always B&W in their decisions and every crime gets exactly the same punishment.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Yes, because the court system never ever considers such things. They are always B&W in their decisions and every crime gets exactly the same punishment.

In theory circumstances are considered but in reality it does not always happen because of several reasons including politics. What is worse punishing the possibly innocent, in this point death, or not punishing the guilty enough?

In the end this is all about vengeance and not prevention or proper punishment. The practice in this country would be to spend millions to put a rapist to death but we probably wouldn't drop a dime to help the victim.
 

LordOpie

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Oct 17, 2002
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In theory circumstances are considered but in reality it does not always happen because of several reasons including politics. What is worse punishing the possibly innocent, in this point death, or not punishing the guilty enough?

In the end this is all about vengeance and not prevention or proper punishment. The practice in this country would be to spend millions to put a rapist to death but we probably wouldn't drop a dime to help the victim.
Wow, is no one bothering to read my repeated, "I'm against the death penalty" statement?
 

SPINTECK

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Oct 16, 2005
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They should suffer a worse punishment than a ped. Anyone in a position of trust should be tortured.

Any reason why you won't answer the question?

I didn't answer the question b/c I haven't thought enough about it to take a position on it- i have to be at work, but I don't have to overwork my mind:) I don't believe in execution by the state, so I'm taking a position on a hypothetical that I don't believe in. So "but you must agree that raping a child is as bad as any other crime that yields the death penalty, yeah?"

Is it as bad as killing a child?? Is it as bad as pimping out a child?? Is it as bad a child pornographers?? These are also crimes that rank high or higher in my opinion. So do I agree that raping a child is as bad as killing them?? Probably not as bad as killing them all things being equal. Counter point?
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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You have an untenable philosophical position there Opie...unless you think that being raped is worse than being murdered? How'd you square that circle?
when my wife worked at the arapahoe co jail dude screamed he was going to kill her, and then rape her.

jokes on him...D
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, but when you have jails as crowded as they are, I think it's an option.

When it comes to child rape (as in under the age of 13 or some other arbitrary number = child) I say a public execution is certainly in order.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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if you believe that raping a child is worse than killing a child, you must believe the child is better off dead than raped. therefore, you should kill any child that has been raped.

this thread is making me hungry.
 

SPINTECK

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Oct 16, 2005
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I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, but when you have jails as crowded as they are, I think it's an option.

When it comes to child rape (as in under the age of 13 or some other arbitrary number = child) I say a public execution is certainly in order.
So you're okay with killing people only if it will save you money???
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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if you believe that raping a child is worse than killing a child, you must believe the child is better off dead than raped. therefore, you should kill any child that has been raped.
unless you can rape the child in its sleep
ohio said:
this thread is making me hungry.
my camp counselor was partial to pigs in a blanket. hope that helped.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Wow, is no one bothering to read my repeated, "I'm against the death penalty" statement?
I will not read any of your posts that are longer than one sentence. I am afraid it might contain subliminal messages that will make me a slave of the Zionist conspiracy.
 

$tinkle

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Feb 12, 2003
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I will not read any of your posts that are longer than one sentence. I am afraid it might contain subliminal messages that will make me a slave of the Zionist conspiracy.
that makes no sense. you can't get them to shut up as it is, and when they start nattering on about global domination it's time to call the baby sitter & let them know you'll be home a few hours late...D
 

black noise

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Dec 31, 2004
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I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty, but when you have jails as crowded as they are, I think it's an option.
"Oh my, we have a lot of people in these prisons. I have an idea. Let's not build more prisons, or reserve prisons for violent offenders (keeping nonviolent offenders, such as those in for drug charges, out), let's cull the population. Let's kill these people because they cost taxpayers too much money."

Please re-read what you wrote and come back in a few minutes.
 

ire

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Aug 6, 2007
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I think it should be considered as a punishment for repeat offenders, but I'm the camp that thinks life in prison is a worse punishment than death. I also don't think it will act as a deterrent.

Did anyone see that show a while back that had "sexual offenders" on it, and it was kids who had sex with each other and a parent called the police? The thing I hate is that we lump all sex crimes together, so the guy who has sex with his girlfriend thats 2 years younger has to register (for life) and be posted on the same site with the child rapist.
 

jasride

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Sep 23, 2006
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Should you get the death penalty for any other reason than killing somebody else? I'm all about the eye for an eye so I'm not sure a raping would equal a death sentence. But like spinteck said, i would probably kill the **cker myself.
 

pain

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There is a faded line with kids, I think there should be a new classification of people who are aged from 14-18.
 

jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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Please re-read what you wrote and come back in a few minutes.
How many sex offenders have been let out due to overcrowding and re-offend? More than one, and that is too many. Had they been killed after the first offense, the second would not have happened.

If they went away and stayed away, then death might not have to be an option. But when criminals get let out early (and not for good behavior) to continue the crime spree, maybe killing them off aint so bad.

Crimes against a child are high on my list of people to kill.
 

black noise

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Dec 31, 2004
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How many sex offenders have been let out due to overcrowding and re-offend? More than one, and that is too many. Had they been killed after the first offense, the second would not have happened.
1. Overcrowding should be solved by any other means than killing prisoners off. If we let anyone out, make it nonviolent offenders. There's a list a mile long of people in jail for crimes much less dangerous to the public than a sex offender.

2. Show me a single example of a child rapist let out too early specifically because the prisons are too crowded. Trust me, if they need to kick people out, they could kick a drug dealer or user out before a child rapist.

3. The issue of people let out, then commiting crimes again could be solved not by killing them just to be safe, but by better evaluating them, better rehabilitating them, etc etc. This problem sits with judges and courts, not prisons being overcrowded.
 

stevew

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Sep 21, 2001
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3. The issue of people let out, then commiting crimes again could be solved not by killing them just to be safe, but by better evaluating them, better rehabilitating them, etc etc.
How about castrating rapists as a form of rehabilitation?

The ones who rape 12-13 year olds and under.
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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1. Overcrowding should be solved by any other means than killing prisoners off. If we let anyone out, make it nonviolent offenders. There's a list a mile long of people in jail for crimes much less dangerous to the public than a sex offender.
possession & distribution of kiddie pr0n is non-violent. now i wonder how many child rapists have kiddie pr0n? gotta keep that fire burning, y'know
 

SlapheadMofo

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Jul 29, 2003
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I'm all for cruel and unusual death sentences for child rapists, but there would need to be some sort of requirement for overwhelming evidence of guilt, beyond what you'd need for a 'regular' conviction.