death penalty for child rapists
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I was using overcrowding as an additional reason to kill child offenders, not the sole reason.
Watch Deliver Us from Evil and get back to me on how you feel. The person this movie is about was a priest in my childhood church. He worked his way through all 6 kids (2 of them are in the film) in a family I know quite well. That was only one family of many.
If that man doesn't deserve to die, then I don't know who does.
Maybe you don't have kids, or maybe you are partial to rape. But for me, rape should be a death sentence, child rape is 100X worse.
His point is that they are two separate issues. One is what the penalty should be for raping a child. The other is what to do about overcrowding.
If you choose to impose a death penalty you do it for their crime, not because you ran out of space.
Yes. I hear this arguement a lot "what are we going to do w/them or who is going to pay for that." To me, I don't see the logic in that arguement b/c you imposing death merely for financial reasons, which is a very tough position to win in a debate in a civilized society.
I feel bad for all those guys killed before DNA evidence. Do we kill the executioner, judge or jury if the prisoner killed was proved innocent or is just their bad luck??
There shouldn't be any more accidents these days. If an innocent person goes to jail, it's cuz someone intentionally screwed him over.
There's a guy here who got out a month or so ago who was in jail for years cuz the DA fixed the evidence to close the case and further his career. I say the DA should be in jail, but that's still be discussed
My point is I know they are separate issues. But they are also compounding issues. I don't think they should go to jail at all. They should just be shot on site and then it's a non-issue.
same with Germany, except it'd be bodily fluids.
Maybe you should just give them foster children after they have been reformed?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/17/sex.offenders.daycare.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/17/sex.offenders.daycare.ap/index.html
In those cases, rip off the bitch's tits!you do not need a penis to rape someone
Fine.you do not need a penis to rape someone
"Rehabilitate" them and let them live in a group home next door to you.
If you like sticking your penis in a little girl/boy and have been caught and convicted of doing it multiple times, it should be removed.
But yet you want to understand polygamy?
Fine.
"Rehabilitate" them and let them live in a group home next door to you.
If you like sticking your penis in a little girl/boy and have been caught and convicted of doing it multiple times, it should be removed.
But yet you want to understand polygamy?
WTF is wrong with you? I just said you don't need a penis to rape someone...everyone knows rape is not a sex act...relax a little you'll live longer...D
"Rape is a crime of violence, not of sex" is the biggest load of academic feminist CRAP ever foisted on society. Some rape may not be about sex, but I guarantee it's in the minority...and with the majority of rapes being date- or acquaintance- rape, it's probably far more often about sex than violence, not that you can always draw a clean distinction between the two.
Nor does castration involve removing the penis. Chopping off someone's balls, however, does remove the source of testosterone that inclines a man towards sexual desire. Not saying a eunuch couldn't rape someone with a broom handle, but he's less likely to want to do so.
If rape isn't about sex, why do most rapes involve a penis?? Do you think pedophiles want to do violence to young people, not form a sexual bond or at least perform a sexual act of some sort? Why do we differentiate between rape and assault at all then??
What are you smoking? Of course rape is about violence and control, the sexual part of it is a display of power, always has been always will be. You're forcing someone to submit to a sexual act against their will. Ask the victims how they feel about it, stop thinking from the perspective of the criminal.
As MikeD pointed out, only someone without a penis could be stupid (edit: or naive) enough to assert that rape isn't about sex at all...
Well I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that no-one in this thread has ever raped anyone so as far as the motivations of a rapist goes we're talking out our...ahem...arses. Seems obvious to me though that rape is primarily and overwhelmingly about violence. That reminds me- Oz is on tonight.
Beating someone's head in with a pipe is about violence.
Choosing to **** someone always has a sexual dimension. Like I said, there's no pure thing, one way or the other. But to blindly say rape as a whole has no sexual dimension, or even isn't primarily sexual, is simply laughable.
Again, most rape is done by dates/acquaintances. Do you think all these people harbor latent violence for its own sake, and choose to commit violence via their penises, or that many feel like they deserve a little piece of poon and choose to take it (through a violent act)? It's not like hitting someone to take their watch.
You think people who watch child porn, join organizations to promote their "right" to have sex with kids, and rape children are just another form of kid-beaters? There's nothing in them looking for sexual gratification? It's just a simple way of expressing their inner wish to harm kids?
Choosing to **** someone always has a sexual dimension. Like I said, there's no pure thing, one way or the other. But to blindly say rape as a whole has no sexual dimension, or even isn't primarily sexual, is simply laughable.
Again, most rape is done by dates/acquaintances. Do you think all these people harbor latent violence for its own sake, and choose to commit violence via their penises, or that many feel like they deserve a little piece of poon and choose to take it (through a violent act)? It's not like hitting someone to take their watch.
You think people who watch child porn, join organizations to promote their "right" to have sex with kids, and rape children are just another form of kid-beaters? There's nothing in them looking for sexual gratification? It's just a simple way of expressing their inner wish to harm kids?
If you can't ascertain the difference between belting someone on the scone with that pipe and shoving it up their arse then we're not going to get anywhere. To say rape is about sex is to say war is about killing people. It's not, it's a consequence of it, the real game is power.
By definition rape is assault and assault is violence, there is no way to get around that. People don't rape because they're horny, even rudimentary research into the sbject bears this out. If sex were the fundamental motivator there'd be way, way, way more sexual assaults. There exists a number of easy solutions to blue balls, importantly those methods don't risk incarceration. Why would anyone rape someone if you can have a wank or go down the knocking shop? It doesn't make sense and the only answer that makes sense is that rape is not about sex.
Sorry dude, Cosmo is not a good source for "rudimentary research." While you're never going to get into the heads of every single rapist, and there a variety of primary and secondary motivators that depend on the actual instance, you're rationalizing if you try to pretend that male sex drive is not a major contributor to most rapes. Unfortunately for us all violence, control, and sex are all linked... this can result in natural, healthy relationships, or it can swing to extremes. It is both the reason many folks (men and women alike) enjoy dirty talk and rough sex, AND the reason militaries sexualize violence.
And finally, it's the reason that increased levels of testosterone from steroids results in violence, often of a sexual nature. If you don't believe testosterone and sex drive are linked to sexual assault, compare the criminal records of eunuchs to steroid users.
VB, if most rape isn't about sex, how come (Ha! Who says rape can't be funny?) rapists frequently leave semen behind at the scene of the crime?
i'll go ahead & assume that for most of the western/modern world, if some chick hooks up & has whore's remorse the next morning, rape charges could very well be in order, no matter how frivolous/spurious (it's not relevant, gents).
who's got control, now?
who's got control, now?
I agree. But since you're the one saying rape is devoid of sex, shouldn't you be the one who sees no difference between hitting someone with a pipe and ****ing them with it? I mean, rape is just violence, right?
Ed: By the way, stealing money doesn't make sense by your logic, either. I mean, you could get a job and thus get money without risk of incarceration, or your could steal it. What logical person would steal money?!
Criminals (at least the dumb ones, who are legion) don't generally do the most useful cost/benefit analyses. And looking at an often-highly-emotional crime like rape through a lens of calm logic isn't very useful for understanding it.
'Cuz they're all in the Navy?
Does your blind prejudice towards eunuchs make you:
1) an Anti-Castrite
2) a Pro-Baller
or
3) an Anti-Eunuchorn?
I'm glad you got rid of that double post Mike. I was going to tell you it wasn't funny enough to post once, much less twice, but I'll let it slide...
4) Rocky Mountain Oyster fanatic
hmm...looks like we will have to agree to disagree Mike...I'm with VB on this one...maybe I should have worded it "the overwhelming majority of rape is not a sex act"....D
And it would still be a ridiculous, unjustified statement.
Y'all need to point me to the research, because as VB (intentionally or not) pointed out, if it weren't a sex act it wouldn't involve your cock.
I find it disturbing that my name is accidentally invoked in a thread about child rapists.
I hope that wasn't a Freudian slip.
oops should say VB
You can be nauseatingly codescending sometimes.
lthumbsdown:I stand by my belief that rapes are motivated by power for the most part, from my reading and having had the misfortune to meet a couple of rapists (fortunately not as the victim) it's fairly clear what the motivations are.
and you'd be right. of course, i don't think anyone has said as clearly as you their opinion as to the motivation, but rather the description, of most rape.
for most of us (who don't have a power addiction or self-esteem problem), when feeling randy as a goat with no available port of call, we pop in a divinyls CD (Frankie for MMike) & take matters into our own hands.
i would venture to guess that our dear rapist does the same, with the added intent for a follow-up role playing appointment
I'm not going to disagree that power and control are motivators for a sexual act as an act of aggression, versus as an act of affection. What I'm saying is that the NEED for that feeling of dominance and the choice to express it via SEXUAL assault stem from a root of male sexuality. If you remove testosterone from the equation, you wouldn't see the same desire to control or dominate, and you almost certainly wouldn't see it manifest as sexual assault (e.g. women tend to dominate through emotional/psychological abuse).
So I actually think we're in agreement that rape is not about sexual GRATIFICATION.
I try.
edit: changed the emPHAsis
FTW, especially that MMike selection
irate2:
so if a juvenile is charged as an adult for a crime, goes to the pokey, gets buggered in the clink, shall his celly then earn the death penalty, or be given a pardon for accelerating the sentence?
sorry, it's the 10th hour here & as part of my normal routine i'm concockting jailhouse scenarios.
around 3 i'm available to spitball something w/ a telletubby-ghostrider theme
sorry, it's the 10th hour here & as part of my normal routine i'm concockting jailhouse scenarios.
around 3 i'm available to spitball something w/ a telletubby-ghostrider theme
If you are charged as an adult and go to prison as an adult, are you still a minor? I would say no.