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Demo 9 or Sinister R9???

mtbpaint

Monkey
Jan 17, 2005
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University of Connecticut
I am looking for a Dh/FR bike. I'll be doing a good amount of races here on the East Coast and some freeride. I do A LOT of pulling up for bunny hops or wheelies on the DH course so Geo has to be perfect. Pedal bob=cant be a lot but i can deal with some. I know what components im getting i can spend $4500 which frame do you think is good for me?
 

SuspectDevice

Turbo Monkey
Aug 23, 2002
4,218
444
Roanoke, VA
Your riding style sounds very similar to FTW's (manual and pump everything). I've spent a bit of time on the R9, and a little less time on the D9, and when setup properly for me I felt more comfortable in the tight stuff on the r9, for sure.

If you can wait a few months you can Demo my R9. As soon as it's finished getting painted I want to head down CT/NY/NJ way for some riding.
 

dante

Unabomber
Feb 13, 2004
8,807
9
looking for classic NE singletrack
humanhandlebar said:
are you kidding me, gol for the demo 9 any day, it may look slugish, but its nimble as hell
ooooooooor you can just wait till spring and ride several different people's bikes. i'd be floored if someone has spent enough time on both bikes to give you a reasonable comparison. They're two totally different bikes, and wouldn't classify either as a DH "race" bike. But that's just me... :D
 

Fulton

Monkey
Nov 9, 2001
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dante said:
ooooooooor you can just wait till spring and ride several different people's bikes. i'd be floored if someone has spent enough time on both bikes to give you a reasonable comparison. They're two totally different bikes, and wouldn't classify either as a DH "race" bike. But that's just me... :D
Why wouldn't the R9 be classified as a race bike? I can't think of too many frames that are more race oriented, in terms of geometry. It can't take a front der, so wouldn't be much of a freeride frame......am I missing something?
 

Fulton

Monkey
Nov 9, 2001
825
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SuspectDevice said:
Your riding style sounds very similar to FTW's (manual and pump everything). I've spent a bit of time on the R9, and a little less time on the D9, and when setup properly for me I felt more comfortable in the tight stuff on the r9, for sure.
having never ridden either bike, your comment surprises me. I may be off here, but it seems as though the demo would be better suited to tech/tight riding than the R9. Demo has shorter stays and tt, taller bb...? R9 seems more suited to west coast riding I would think.

Regardless, I'd be all over and R9 if I had to make the choice. Demo's just look way to complicated for my tastes.
 

SuspectDevice

Turbo Monkey
Aug 23, 2002
4,218
444
Roanoke, VA
Numbers on paper and actual ride can't always be reconciled, especially when you take suspension setup into the equation and look at wheelpaths, progression rates and actual front-center measurements.

As an example I never though I'd like a small DHR for my riding style given the geometry numbers on it (too short, too steep, too linear). Once I spent a few minutes setting one up and took a few runs on it I found that it actually would work for me, and that the numbers on a website didn't convey the way the bike actually fit and rode...
 

Fulton

Monkey
Nov 9, 2001
825
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SuspectDevice said:
Numbers on paper and actual ride can't always be reconciled, especially when you take suspension setup into the equation and look at wheelpaths, progression rates and actual front-center measurements.

As an example I never though I'd like a small DHR for my riding style given the geometry numbers on it (too short, too steep, too linear). Once I spent a few minutes setting one up and took a few runs on it I found that it actually would work for me, and that the numbers on a website didn't convey the way the bike actually fit and rode...
good point
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,520
11,009
AK
I find it pretty amusing how MBA refers to the sinister 9 as an "east coast bike" in it's geometry and numbers, when it's completely at the opposite end of the spectrum of what an "east coast" bike is. It kind of makes the term useless when you use it to define everything...
 
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Jm_ said:
I find it pretty amusing how MBA refers to the sinister 9 as an "east coast bike" in it's geometry and numbers, when it's completely at the opposite end of the spectrum of what an "east coast" bike is. It kind of makes the term useless when you use it to define everything...
whats an east coast bike then
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,520
11,009
AK
Sir Happypants said:
whats an east coast bike then
The complete opposite of what the R9 is. Short wheelbase. Steeper headtube angle. Shorter chainstays. Usually a higher bottom bracket, especially in proportion with the reset of the bike. Short top tube.

That's what people have been calling "east coast" bikes for a long time. That's what the term is referring to. The R9 is pretty much the opposite of everything that makes a bike "east coast".

MBA is pretty clueless, this just has to do with their classification.
 

TheInedibleHulk

Turbo Monkey
May 26, 2004
1,886
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Colorado
MBA is utterly worthless, they kiss everyone's ass and dont know WTF theyre talking about. I havent ridden either bike, but just dont use MBA, please. It should be called Mountain Bike Fiction.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,520
11,009
AK
TheInedibleHulk said:
MBA is utterly worthless, they kiss everyone's ass and dont know WTF theyre talking about. I havent ridden either bike, but just dont use MBA, please. It should be called Mountain Bike Fiction.
I know, but because of that it does hold a certain amount of entertainment value
 

MMcG

Ride till you puke!
Dec 10, 2002
15,457
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Burlington, Connecticut
If Price is a factor there is a complete demo R-9 for sale from the company that used to back Sinister for $1,900 complete I think. Do a search for my thread to the link to the ad on the NEMBA site. I think it fell to page 2 here without anyone seeing it.