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Desecration of the flag

Jr_Bullit

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Sep 8, 2001
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Okay, so I'm sure some of us can already predict where the line will be drawn with crowd, but I tend to side with the supreme court - individuals should have the right to display the flag in a manner we see fit, on our own land, regardless of how others in a community make take offense to said individual's opinions:

Flag desecration charge against veteran is dismissed

By Kevin O'Hanlon
The Associated Press

LINCOLN -- Charges against a Vietnam-era veteran who flew an American flag upside down to protest the war in Iraq have been dismissed.

The American Civil Liberties Union said Thursday that Loup County authorities agreed to drop the charges against 64-year-old Larry Lentz.

The case began last month when Loup County Sheriff Dan Kling warned Lentz that he could be ticketed for flying the upside-down flag in his yard.

Kling returned later, took the flag down and had Lentz ticketed for violating a 1977 state law that prohibits "mutilation of a flag."

Nebraska's flag law says "A person commits the offense of mutilating a flag if such person intentionally casts contempt or ridicule upon a flag by mutilating, defacing, defiling, burning, or trampling upon such flag."

Violating the law is a misdemeanor punishable by three months in jail and a $500 fine.

Lentz then bought another flag, but this time flew it upside down on his backyard flagpole.

When the sheriff returned a third time and threatened to issue another ticket, Lentz called the ACLU for help.

ACLU lawyer Amy Miller said Lentz has a right to fly the flag upside down to express himself, "especially because he's paid the price more than most of us by serving in our military."

Lentz served in the Navy from 1959 to 1967 and later in both the Navy and Army reserves.

Lentz says while he supports U.S. troops, he feels the war is wrong.

"My opinion is this country is in upside down mode right now," Lentz said in a statement released by the ACLU. "I decided to fly my flag upside down to show someone needs to make a change for the better. This doesn't mean anything against the boys or girls in the war right now. They're doing their job. I just wanted to express myself on my own land."

The ACLU's Tim Butz said Loup County Attorney Jason White agreed to drop the charges after both sides met.

White said Thursday that he and Kling would not comment on the case.

Butz said several U.S. Supreme Court decisions have overturned laws similar to Nebraska's flag statute.

In 1990, the high court struck down a federal law that outlawed burning the American flag.

"Punishing desecration of the flag dilutes the very freedom that makes this emblem so revered," the court said.

The justices said the Flag Protection Act of 1989 violated freedom of expression guaranteed by the First Amendment to the Constitution. Writing for the majority, Justice William J. Brennan called it a "bedrock" constitutional guarantee.

"We are aware that desecration of the flag is deeply offensive to many," Brennan wrote.

But, quoting from an earlier ruling, he said, "If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable."

Earlier, the court ruled in favor of a Washington college student who hung an American flag upside down and with a peace symbol taped to it from his apartment balcony to protest the 1970 killings of four anti-war protesters at Kent State University by Ohio National Guardsmen.

The state argued it had an interest in preserving the "unalloyed symbol of our country."

The high court said the student had a right to display the flag as he saw fit.
 

Skookum

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Jul 26, 2002
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Jr_Bullit said:
"Punishing desecration of the flag dilutes the very freedom that makes this emblem so revered," the court said.
i think this ruling is spot on and i really couldn't agree more.
and in my opinion if anyone has any right to fly a flag in protest, how can anyone with half a brain argue against a veteran having that right.
i'm also curious about this whole upside down flag thing, i never thought it was a desecration, i was always under the impression it was a sign of distress. Which especially seems appropriate since you got cops coming onto your property and seizing your property.
 

Echo

crooked smile
Jul 10, 2002
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I heard that if you mail something using a "flag" stamp and put the stamp upside down, it often gets "lost" by the post office.
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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This is such a non-issue.... display the flag however you want.. upside down, inside out, in a flaming pile of poo... whatever..

I mean if you really need that much attention, go for it.
 

Honeywell

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Sep 21, 2001
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Skookum said:
i'm also curious about this whole upside down flag thing, i never thought it was a desecration, i was always under the impression it was a sign of distress. Which especially seems appropriate since you got cops coming onto your property and seizing your property.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

I guess if you aren't in a situation of extreme danger to life or property then it would be considered a desecration.
 

Jr_Bullit

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Sep 8, 2001
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Honeywell - your answer seems like it's a more "technically" exact response. Do you think someone should be prosecuted for said desecration, or do you agree with the Supreme Court and their ruling that individuals should have the right, in this country, to express their opinions in such a manner?
 

Skookum

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Jul 26, 2002
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Honeywell said:
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

I guess if you aren't in a situation of extreme danger to life or property then it would be considered a desecration.
ok, but that's still based on intrepretation and perception. i suppose in a lot of ways an upside down flag would be more appropriate in this particular case AFTER the cop confiscated the first one. :D
 

Btyler311

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Aug 8, 2004
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I love it,

I was trying to get people to do that the morning after "black teusday" had a sticker on my car.

Because we are political prisoners - in dire distress.

Ty
 

N8 v2.0

Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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Btyler311 said:
I love it,

I was trying to get people to do that the morning after "black teusday" had a sticker on my car.

Because we are political prisoners - in dire distress.

Ty

You are free to flee to Cuba...