Which shock would overall perform better on a sunday for strictly downhilling on the east coast. Ive heard great things about both.
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I guarantee the DHX is smoother over the small bumps at high speeds, with propedal wide open, boost air pressure at 80-100psi, and rebound set fast.CBJ said:What a bs post.
Progressive has great customer service and their shocks can be tuned to perfection to the Sunday and that has nothing to do with high leverage ratio.
Only a few people has ridden the Sunday with a DHX as they do not fit the old link. My 05 Sunday with the 5th has worked great and it has been very well balanced with the Boxxer and I have at no time been able to blame the shock for any riding mistakes.
My specualtion is that it will be more about feel than performance in the choice between the two.
So that must be like 30 more pinkbike feet of air huh? Wow you must really rip.Spokompton said:blah,blah,blah.....I hit every day, at the same speed and same level of pumping off the lip I can get 50% more air time out of the DHX....blah,blah,blah
Obviously with your tuned to perfection, well balanced 5th you have tons of experiance with their customer service department. My experiance clearly wasn't as rosy as yours. I guess I have to temper my post because I was just told that Iron Horse has a specially valved 5th. Not sure if it's true or not, but the off the shelf valved 5th I owned and the others that I have ridden, were too damn slow. Thats my 2 cents. If it ain't coming from Iron Horse get the DHX.CBJ said:What a bs post.
Progressive has great customer service and their shocks can be tuned to perfection to the Sunday and that has nothing to do with high leverage ratio.
Only a few people has ridden the Sunday with a DHX as they do not fit the old link. My 05 Sunday with the 5th has worked great and it has been very well balanced with the Boxxer and I have at no time been able to blame the shock for any riding mistakes.
My specualtion is that it will be more about feel than performance in the choice between the two.
typical pinkbike response...ncrider said:So that must be like 30 more pinkbike feet of air huh? Wow you must really rip.
That has more to do with your rebound I would believe.NateH said:I've had a 5th on my Sunday and it worked pretty well once I got it set up right (this took several trips to progressive) However I got my hands on a remote resevoir DHX and have to say that I like it far more. It allows me to move the bike around more on the trail which suits my riding style more. Basicaly if you like to more around and jump over trail obstacles the dhx seems to work better. If staying on the ground is more your style than the 5th is probably your cup of tea.
ncrider said:So that must be like 30 more pinkbike feet of air huh? Wow you must really rip.
Just as I thought, the valving was way the f@#k off for my bike. Are both compression and rebound valving 2/3 less that the stock ?dw said:. We run the shocks with a special tune that uses about 1/3 the damping of most other bikes. This is partly due to the Sunday's low leverage rate,
Dave, im running ~50psi in the chamber and about 1 turn in from full out. No begin stroke and also about 1 turn in from full out on the end stroke. If you find you bottom out a bit, wind a bit more endstroke on before you go changing the volume.Daver said:DW, i have a question.
I have a 5th on mine, and it feels fine so far (i'm running maybe 40% sag on the stroke). Should i be running any compression (ending stroke) or bottom out? I am unable to get out and test it until Saturday, and i want to have it all sorted before i get out there.
Dave
It very well may have been spot on for your bike, but the stock 5th element valving (and the valving used for evrery other DH bike that I am aware of) is way too stiff on a dw-link bike. You can run a dw-link tuned 5th on other suspensions, but generally, whatever bike you do that on, the bike is going to heave and bob a lot under acceleration.trialsmasta said:Just as I thought, the valving was way the f@#k off for my bike. Are both compression and rebound valving 2/3 less that the stock ?
Basically the same setup that I run on the stock Sunday tune. I am 165-170 w gear and run a 275 spring.shmity said:Dave, im running ~50psi in the chamber and about 1 turn in from full out. No begin stroke and also about 1 turn in from full out on the end stroke. If you find you bottom out a bit, wind a bit more endstroke on before you go changing the volume.
My Fury has a leverage ratio of 2.5 which I belive is less than the Sunday. So if you had to remove 2/3 of the damping on a Sunday, bobbing asside the valving was way of for me.dw said:It very well may have been spot on for your bike, but the stock 5th element valving (and the valving used for evrery other DH bike that I am aware of) is way too stiff on a dw-link bike. You can run a dw-link tuned 5th on other suspensions, but generally, whatever bike you do that on, the bike is going to heave and bob a lot under acceleration.
Dave
they come stock with the 05 turner dhr, and if i am not mistaken they are avalible aftermaket too.Spokompton said:DHX with remote resi? Never heard of it. Are they available aftermarket or what?
hahah..so true....i m calling Avy all the way from Australia proabably next week when i have time....thought about getting the Fox DHX air to save some weight..but meh...few hundred grams...who cares...and also cant be botherd to get the new link to accomodate for the DHXs..jefedelosjefes said:5th? DHX? Nah...Avy, right DW?
What was your CVT chamber pressure and volume? Also, what was your low speed compression screw set at? Those adjustments make a big difference on the 5th. I'm just curious more than anything at this point. I'm not doubting that there was something wrong with your shock, I've seen enough valving issues with out of the box shocks this year to not take anything for granted anymore!trialsmasta said:My Fury has a leverage ratio of 2.5 which I belive is less than the Sunday. So if you had to remove 2/3 of the damping on a Sunday, bobbing asside the valving was way of for me.
I have a CHUBIE that I have run on one of my Sunday test bikes, and the shock felt phenomenal. Lighter riders may have difficulty getting a light enough spring though. I'm not 100% sure what the latest is on that. A CHUBIE with a ti 300 spring would be a sweet setup. DHX and AVY run about 25lbs higher spring than 5th for given rider weight.jefedelosjefes said:5th? DHX? Nah...Avy, right DW?
dw said:I have a CHUBIE that I have run on one of my Sunday test bikes, and the shock felt phenomenal. Lighter riders may have difficulty getting a light enough spring though. I'm not 100% sure what the latest is on that. A CHUBIE with a ti 300 spring would be a sweet setup. DHX and AVY run about 25lbs higher spring than 5th for given rider weight.
dw said:What was your CVT chamber pressure and volume? Also, what was your low speed compression screw set at? Those adjustments make a big difference on the 5th. I'm just curious more than anything at this point. I'm not doubting that there was something wrong with your shock, I've seen enough valving issues with out of the box shocks this year to not take anything for granted anymore!
Sounds like a defective shock to me.trialsmasta said:I ran pressure from 50 to 130 psi, chamber volume maxed out and all adjustments completely backed out. I had everything as light as I could possibly get it.
I have a romic spring on mine, a 300.vitox said:romic might be the ticket for those springs, i have one here thats 150lbs.
I wouldn't really know, their customer service never got back to me, but MC was curtious enough to swap the shock out for me, so now I'm happy. But the other 2 bikes I rode with 5th elements felt terrible too, so thats 3 out of 3, I'm leaning towards their shock valving dosn't suit my ridding style.dw said:Sounds like a defective shock to me.
Dave,dw said:I have a CHUBIE that I have run on one of my Sunday test bikes, and the shock felt phenomenal.
pretty sure it needs to be valved as well but fox already knows what to dojungle said:Do the DHX5.0 rear shocks have to have the special valving
done to it to suit the sundays like the 5th does ?
or can you just run the stock DHX5.0 ?