dang...Neil Beytagh...welcome to the monkey...how many damn computers you guys got over at that house? You, Tom, G...pops.NeilBey said:
Or are you off at school somewhere?
DHX v CCDB
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Or are you off at school somewhere?
when you order the shock, they have a formula that gets you the right shock. I'm sure some spode will find a way to make it ride like a brick on skates though...Jm_ said:Ahh, so if you needed a 500lb with a fox vanilla, and you only needed a 400lb with the DHX on the same bike, and then of course you only needed a 300lb with a 5th element, in the end you only need a 200lb spring with the DB?
Except only a spring can set the spring weight. No damper in the world can alter that. Well, except maybe the internals from a pogo stick?bizutch said:
According to someone in another thread, it was designed and THEN taken to Ohlins to build.Bicyclist said:But damn it, the DB has moto technology.
Either way, my toilet seat has moto technology. Marketing people are geniuses.
Or you don't.Renegade said:Bicyclist, I think you'll be very happy with the DHX if you get it pushed.
The DHX works fantastically straight out of the box. No extra $$ needed.Renegade said:
I have. It isn't worth the extra $ in my opinion.Renegade said:
Same bike, around same weight.
Adjust the shock properly, and you are fine without blowing an extra $100+.
Adjust the shock properly, and you are fine without blowing an extra $100+.
Whatever. I don't think a one time try is enough saddle time to try any product, but that's my opinion, heh?
This isn't a generic, off the self modification. It's very specific to the rider, the bike, the springrate used. A 50 pound springrate change necessitates a change in shimming the piston.
But you know all that, right?
This isn't a generic, off the self modification. It's very specific to the rider, the bike, the springrate used. A 50 pound springrate change necessitates a change in shimming the piston.
But you know all that, right?
I worked for fox as a technician, so yes, I know how suspension works, how valving works, how shim stacks work etc.Renegade said:
I am willing to bet 90% of MTBers wouldn't know the difference between a custom valved shock, and one straight off the shelf. Most cannot even get the proper spring weight or rebound settings. Many full time pros have no idea either. So saying a rider will be happy with a shock only after certain modifications, at extra cost, is absurd.
You seem pretty defensive over this I might add.
Because no one sells them, and people want "the best", even if they have no idea how to use them.Renegade said:
fact: every shock in the world feels different, there is no amount of magic that PUSH or anyone can claim to provide that will make your set up perfect, or even better. only way to do it is work one-on-one with the suspension tuner over a period of time testing to get the best setting for you, your style, and your bike. sending the shock off to an aftermarket bunch of suspension tuners armed only with your weight, riding "style," and bike is like asking for a a custom suit and only telling the tailor your height and weight. it's a new baseline but not much else.
besides, i would still argue 90+% of riders don't have the skills/speed to take advantage of a lot of the supposed beter technology PUSH and Co. have to offer. . . not when they still can't manage to pick the correct spring rate or understand the adjustments in the first place.
myles rockwell won the mt. snow national in 2000 on a completely blown rear shock. chew on that.
besides, i would still argue 90+% of riders don't have the skills/speed to take advantage of a lot of the supposed beter technology PUSH and Co. have to offer. . . not when they still can't manage to pick the correct spring rate or understand the adjustments in the first place.
myles rockwell won the mt. snow national in 2000 on a completely blown rear shock. chew on that.
Renegade said:
a ti-sprung, Pushed DHX, with racer boi seals that get rid of non existant frinction, a special rebound knob that tim fluke ordered me special from uranus, shock oil blessed by the pope, and an AstroGlide piston ring all hoocked up to this super hi-tech telemitry system that tells me i did, in fact, bottom out on that huck to flat coming out of turn 2.
i'm gonna win the f'ing world cup just as soon as a can drink enough Monster Energy to get Sam Hill's skills.
guinea pig for the PUSED dhx, eh? can't imagine why you're on the defensive.
sorry, i'm not into hype. i've long passed the point where my suspension is going to slow me down
No G.E. I don't need a hug. I asked you a question, so I can try to understand where you're coming from in regards to your statement. Instead of an answer, you get all bent out of shape, and answer like some 13 year old. It doesn't do much for your credibility.
So, I'll try again. What shock do you use, and why. Simple question.
So, I'll try again. What shock do you use, and why. Simple question.
a gentleman never tellsRenegade said:
but if you must know it is 9.5" long
So based on that, how's your hip surgery going old man? I think you need more fiber in your diet.Renegade said:
Based on the maturity of his response, I could be twenty years older than him, and still be a young man. You haven't answered my other question Transcend. Or are you going to go the same route as the general?Transcend said:So based on that, how's your hip surgery going old man? I think you need more fiber in your diet.
Transcend said:
Seriously. I need to get 10 seconds faster, and spending all kinds of money on a new rear shock will not do it. Going to the gym, riding with faster riders, riding at a lot of new places, riding all the time, and staying fresh and stoked on MTB will do it. Heck, the $600 that a Double Barrel costs is easily three World Cups, and that kind of experience is way more beneficial than some small improvement on the bike.
That's all fine and dandy. Going back a page to my post directed to Cyclist, I said to him that he will probably like his DHX if it gets pushed. I didn't say it will make him faster, win races, or get him laid. I simply implied that he'd like it. Enjoying the ride guys; isn't that what most of us are in it for?
originally posted by Renegade: Bicyclist, I think you'll be very happy with the DHX if you get it pushed.
originally posted by Renegade: Bicyclist, I think you'll be very happy with the DHX if you get it pushed.
Right, and before you started to be a douche, you'll notice i said that he'd like it just fine if he didn't.Renegade said:
The fine people from the brown company have Bicyclists DHX...WHATEVER WILL WE DO!?!??!?!
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Bitching and whining that it makes a huge difference and moaning when someone doesn't spend an hour explaining why they think it doesn't, does.Renegade said:
You can think it does all you want, and are welcome to spend all the money you want on it. And just for reference, I've ridden Fox (DHX, RC, DHX Air, + push DHX and before that, RC), Manitou, Progressive and Risse shocks on the same frames. These are shocks that I own except the push stuff. All properly tuned, and some with custom internals direct from the factory.
I have also ridden Avalanche shocks on the same frame from someone about the same weight. So ya, I have at least a little bit of experience riding different bits of suspension, tuning them, shimming/valving them and comepletely repairing or rebuilding them; on the same platform.
Incidentally, the frame itself does absolutely NOTHING to alter shock performance, so pros and cons are glaringly obvious from each of these.
So like I said, feel free to blow your own wad on it all you want. Don't come and patronize the rest of us who know what we are doing with suspension, and are quite fine without the extra cash outlay. If you think spending a few hundred extra on your shock will make you faster, or it monumentally better...well, you go on thinking that. Just don't tell people they need to do that to be "happy" with a shock.
out of curisoity, is the db a good upgrade for the money over a dhx for a 2005 stab supreme? I love the frame and i dont want to change that but i've had my eye on the db for a while but i have also been looking at a ti spring for my current dhx.
cough...double barrel...cough...cough....:love:SBDownhillRacer said:
thats what i was thinking but there are a lot of people who tell me that there arent too many pros running the shock so it must not be good, but i only ever hear good things about it so thats probably what i'm gonna do.
Don't listen to us, just go ride one and make up your mind.SBDownhillRacer said:
You got our boys loving the Double Barrel, Transcend's guys loving the DHX, and evidently for Renegade here, everytime a DHX gets pushed, an angel gets her wings.
So, if I were you, I would decide after riding them.