Diabolus or Saint?
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Will need to know what frame and the recommended bb axle length...
I run diabolous on one bike and saint on the other. No complaints with either. Flip a coin.
Nope sure can't it isn't saint... sorry, wont work. (stinkyboy said:
oh wait.. they haven't made everything proprietary yet) Just kidding.. your XT front der will work just dandy with the saint cranks.
I'm an anti shimano person, but honestly my saint cranks are freakin nice. One bonus I have noticed is that I like the feeling of 100mm BB shell on bikes, and I have a 73mm on mine, but with the external bearings and super thick cranks it feels stupid close to how a 100mm BB feels with ISIS cranks.
I have no riding info on the raceface, other than they look dead sexy too!
As stated earlier... flip a coin...
If you're generally a 'good' person, I'd go with the saints and paint them rootbeer...
If you're a 'bad' person, I'd go with the Diabolus and paint them pink (it's the new black)...
Actually, I have a set of Diabolus cranks, and they're superb...Like the pinch bolt design of the Saints a little better (as my cranks did loosen up once, but just a little play which was solved by *gasp* tightening the 8 mm bolt). However, I've also seen (not e-hearsay) several bad batches of outboard bearings on XT cranks (i.e. the seals keep water out about as well as Steve Peat keeps himself out of bars) and read about some similar stories regarding the Saints - although it seems those are isolated incidents...The Diabolus offers the spacer system which allows you to adjust for chainguides and improve the driveline - pretty neat feature IMO...Diabolus also have the steel insert threads for the pedals, but I think the Shimanos have those now as well...I'd say they're about equal in burliness and stiffness, so I think it comes down to how important the chainline spacers are to you and whether or not you actually check you bolt tightness every few months...If the spacers aren't a big deal and you never look at your cranks after install, then the Saints seem like the way to go...Otherwise, Diabolus...
If you're a 'bad' person, I'd go with the Diabolus and paint them pink (it's the new black)...
Actually, I have a set of Diabolus cranks, and they're superb...Like the pinch bolt design of the Saints a little better (as my cranks did loosen up once, but just a little play which was solved by *gasp* tightening the 8 mm bolt). However, I've also seen (not e-hearsay) several bad batches of outboard bearings on XT cranks (i.e. the seals keep water out about as well as Steve Peat keeps himself out of bars) and read about some similar stories regarding the Saints - although it seems those are isolated incidents...The Diabolus offers the spacer system which allows you to adjust for chainguides and improve the driveline - pretty neat feature IMO...Diabolus also have the steel insert threads for the pedals, but I think the Shimanos have those now as well...I'd say they're about equal in burliness and stiffness, so I think it comes down to how important the chainline spacers are to you and whether or not you actually check you bolt tightness every few months...If the spacers aren't a big deal and you never look at your cranks after install, then the Saints seem like the way to go...Otherwise, Diabolus...
I would love to see someone break saint cranks. Those things are so fvckin' strong.DHS said:
my friend just bought cranks for his steelhead.... those things are facking sick, i think i may kill him and covit his cranks...
http://www.raceface.com/components/cranks/diabolus-crank.htm# click on backstage and then test lab
why didnt they give numbers to show that their cranks failed past the point of failure on the saints?
Because....they don't want to liedirtjumpP.1 said:
What I found funny was the Saint cranks he was holding lacked the bb axle.
How in the hell could you mess up installation on a pair of Saint cranks? They are idiot proof. Slide the right side arm/spindle through the BB, slide on the left arm (it will only go on one way-can't misalign), load the bearings with the end cap, and tighten the pinch bolts.DHS said:
dude people are dumb. plain and simple. you would be suprised at what people can mess up. just walk into a bike shop and look at what he mechanic is working on (unless he's building a bike thats going on the floor).
ohh and go diablous all the way. raceface is just better looking and you get the kool flames. saints are plane dull and gray. noone likes to be boring and unoriginal. and diablous are stronger.
ohh and go diablous all the way. raceface is just better looking and you get the kool flames. saints are plane dull and gray. noone likes to be boring and unoriginal. and diablous are stronger.
These new cromo 2-piece cranks - light as saint, twice as stiff - SRP $225 
http://www.bmxonline.com/bmx/biz/article/0,15737,1068954,00.html
Plain dull and grey they may be but unoriginal they are not. The Shimano Hollowtech II system was in place before RaceFace/Truvativ/FSA released/copied the ouboard-bearing design.me89 said:
I have a set of SAINT cranks on all my bikes. The oldest one being almost 3 years old, it still performs as well as the day I installed them.
Sonny, Shimano doesn't have any original thoughts period - the crank system was around 10 years before Shimano had them on the market...Fonzie18 said:
Sweetparts had their steel 2-piece version (sweetwings) in the mid nineties with external outboard bearings - they weighed 5 grams more than "innovative" "new" xtr (haha, shimano innovate - yeah right!). They were some of the stiffest cranks you could buy then - I had a pair on my 95 Marin Indian Firetrail. I traded them to a LBS owner in 97 or 98 for free brand new interloc tubular steel cranks when I got a frame they wouldn't fit. They also had a ti version, but I don't remember the weight. They were very labor intensive, had some teething issues, and Sweetparts went out of business
i want to buy some profile racing cranks.... mmmmm chrome
Ok...syadasti said:Sonny, Shimano doesn't have any original thoughts period - the crank system was around 10 years before Shimano had them on the market...
Sweetparts had their steel 2-piece version (sweetwings) in the mid nineties with external outboard bearings - they weighed 5 grams more than "innovative" "new" xtr (haha, shimano innovate - yeah right!). They were some of the stiffest cranks you could buy then - I had a pair on my 95 Marin Indian Firetrail. I traded them to a LBS owner in 97 or 98 for free brand new interloc tubular steel cranks when I got a frame they wouldn't fit. They also had a ti version, but I don't remember the weight. They were very labor intensive, had some teething issues, and Sweetparts went out of business
The sweetparts cranks were great, there are 2 sets sitting in my shop and I still look at them and think of how far ahead of it's time they truely were. Even though they were one of many outboard-bearing design bottom brackets that were available before my time ( I guess I was like 5 years old back then) they were not very successful because of their flaws. Shimano being the inovative company that they are, decided to bring the design back and perfect it...which they did when they released the Hollowtech2 system. Trust me, they were aware of previous designs. I guess what I was trying to say is that the Hollowtech II came before X-types and Mega-Exos of FSA and RAceface.
As for Shimano not having original thoughts.....I won't get into that :dancing:
Saint might not have as much fine-tuning adjustment, but the pinchbolt setup is superior, and the whole system is idiot-proof.
CNC cranks belong in the 90's... forging is where it's at.
CNC cranks belong in the 90's... forging is where it's at.
Who cares about who came up with what? I got saints because it cost me $50 less and they are a little lighter. The Race faces look really pimp but the Saint single also looks sick. The double ring saint doesn't look that great.
Watching that test video I was pretty impressed with the force it took to bust the saint cranks. I mean my saints are stiff, they don't bend like they did in that video from your average 6' drop. That took a lot of force.
As long as there are no flaws inherent in the design, there is no big reason to love or hate either the saints or the raceface. They both go above and beyond. I'm not a fan of shimano, I recently ditched their brakes, shifters, chain, and rear derailuer for Hope and SRAM gear, respectively.
Watching that test video I was pretty impressed with the force it took to bust the saint cranks. I mean my saints are stiff, they don't bend like they did in that video from your average 6' drop. That took a lot of force.
As long as there are no flaws inherent in the design, there is no big reason to love or hate either the saints or the raceface. They both go above and beyond. I'm not a fan of shimano, I recently ditched their brakes, shifters, chain, and rear derailuer for Hope and SRAM gear, respectively.
Personally I love the Saints....plain and simple and will not let you down......I think they work awesome !
Bullseye did not have external bearings, were heavier, and I am sure there were other BMX 2-piece cranks before bullseye...Dan-Rides-Bikes said:
didnt saint stuff come out in 2003? so how could the cranks be 3 years old?Fonzie18 said:
That has got to be one of the coolest jobs, I mean you get to break stuff all day. I don't really care either that they don't give any numbers or show their stuff breaking cause I'm sure its just as strong.Castle said:
Oh and I'd go with the Diabolus over the Saints because they engineer, manufacture, and test their stuff in the coolest city in the world IMO.
...the coolest city in the world ? Are you buying products based on the city in which they are made ?
funny that you should mention that, since I have owned a few sets, one of them black, and the anodizing on that one faded so the inset part of the left arm was pink. Not sure why, maybe the sun did it. But it's pink now.jackalope said:
The Saints suck. Shimano sucks. All cranks Shimano makes SUCK. I ran the XT's for 3 years and warranteed them every year for a loose spider. They had no problem giving me a new(2000) set every year-I guess there is a warehouse full of 'em. I've had friends turning in their Saint cranks in as well. It's not a solid spider-arm like Race Face's. Less points to fail. I guess if you weigh less than 160 they might work. I am running the R/F and lovin' it.
well i would say the xts are just a bit lower than the saints.... and your lame ass generalizations arent wanted here.... please return to pinkbike
Hey, sorry to hurt your feelings. I was trying to be as specific as possible. Have you ever had warranty issues with the big 'S'?
If not--
Shut the f__k up!
p.s. I'm not trying to be a di#k, I was just watching Chappelle's show.
The one where he was 'Black Bush'. He told the U.N. to sanction him with their army---whoops, no army. So shut the f__k up!
If not--
Shut the f__k up!
p.s. I'm not trying to be a di#k, I was just watching Chappelle's show.
The one where he was 'Black Bush'. He told the U.N. to sanction him with their army---whoops, no army. So shut the f__k up!
He is sort of right. Shimano will warrenty anything. But on the other hand its a big company. I thought I heard that people had problems with the Diabolus getting loose....
Both are quality cranks and many people have never had problems with even XTs. It all depends on how you ride.
Both are quality cranks and many people have never had problems with even XTs. It all depends on how you ride.
you really cant base an opinion on saint cranks on your experiance with xts. have you even riddin a set?Turd Ferguson said:
Whinge whinge whinge, cry cry cry. All based on your experiences with an older model XC crank. Keep up the good workTurd Ferguson said:
Why do people critisize Shimano products based on that they do not want to dash out money for the right category of cranks ? If I notice that Alivio cranks are soft riding DH am I then entitled to claim that DA and Saints are soft as well ?