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Did Bush actually win or not?

Slugman

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C'mon... you knew this was coming sooner or later :blah:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/index.html

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.

Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

Bush actually received 365 votes in the precinct, Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, told The Columbus Dispatch.

State and county election officials did not immediately respond to requests by The Associated Press for more details about the voting system and its vendor, and whether the error, if repeated elsewhere in Ohio, could have affected the outcome.

Bush won the state by more than 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results, and Kerry conceded the election on Wednesday after acknowledging that 155,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in Ohio would not change the result. (Full Ohio results)

The Secretary of State's Office said Friday it could not revise Bush's total until the county reported the error.

The Ohio glitch is among a handful of computer troubles that have emerged since Tuesday's elections. (Touchscreen voting troubles reported)

In one North Carolina county, more than 4,500 votes were lost because officials mistakenly believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did. And in San Francisco, a malfunction with custom voting software could delay efforts to declare the winners of four races for county supervisor.

In the Ohio precinct in question, the votes are recorded onto a cartridge. On one of the three machines at that precinct, a malfunction occurred in the recording process, Damschroder said. He could not explain how the malfunction occurred.

Damschroder said people who had seen poll results on the election board's Web site called to point out the discrepancy. The error would have been discovered when the official count for the election is performed later this month, he said.

The reader also recorded zero votes in a county commissioner race on the machine.

Workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine and each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.

Meanwhile, in San Francisco, a glitch occurred with software designed for the city's new "ranked-choice voting," in which voters list their top three choices for municipal offices. If no candidate gets a majority of first-place votes outright, voters' second and third-place preferences are then distributed among candidates who weren't eliminated in the first round. (E-vote goes smoothly, but experts skeptical)

When the San Francisco Department of Elections tried a test run on Wednesday of the program that does the redistribution, some of the votes didn't get counted and skewed the results, director John Arntz said.

"All the information is there," Arntz said. "It's just not arriving the way it was supposed to."

A technician from the Omaha, Neb. company that designed the software, Election Systems & Software Inc., was working to diagnose and fix the problem.
 

N8 v2.0

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No Bush did not win....

This has all been an illusion brough to you by David Copperfield and NASA.


The reality is that Algore has been king-president for the last 12 years.
 

Slugman

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N8 said:
He's porking up nicely...
bwahahaha....

Tenchiro said:
Of course Bush one, Diebold said so!
I guess bad math is a GOP trend...
Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.
 

Slugman

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Damn True said:
Did they post the numbers for the states that Kerry won?

Until they do this info is meaningless.
Absolutely! I think they need to audit every single machine.

But the TREND so far is that Bush has received phanton votes and some of the people who selected Kerry reported that before they hit the 'approve' on the review screen, Bush had shown up as their choice...
 

Transcend

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Slugman said:
Absolutely! I think they need to audit every single machine.

But the TREND so far is that Bush has received phanton votes and some of the people who selected Kerry reported that before they hit the 'approve' on the review screen, Bush had shown up as their choice...
I dont think that that is as much as conspiracy as just bad voting software. The diebold machines, as well as a few others, have undergone intense scutiny for major issues for months. Wired news has been doing an ongoing series on these crappy machines.

Could it have affected the outcome? sure..but probably not.
 

Slugman

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Transcend said:
I dont think that that is as much as conspiracy as just bad voting software. The diebold machines, as well as a few others, have undergone intense scutiny for major issues for months. Wired news has been doing an ongoing series on these crappy machines.

Could it have affected the outcome? sure..but probably not.
Cut it out... I already got crushed once this week. You could have at least waited until Monday! :(
 

Damn True

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Slugman said:
Absolutely! I think they need to audit every single machine.

But the TREND so far is that Bush has received phanton votes and some of the people who selected Kerry reported that before they hit the 'approve' on the review screen, Bush had shown up as their choice...
But they wont.
....and if they find machines that had a result that was wrong, but favored Kerry they won't mention it.

The trend you are seeing is more than likely a product of the information that is being published as opposed to the information that is actually being collected.

But to answer your question, yes, Bush won.

Voting "irregularities" have been around as long as elections. They are not the sole invention of GW as the media would have you believe.
 

Slugman

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Damn True said:
Voting "irregularities" have been around as long as elections. They are not the sole invention of GW as the media would have you believe.
3880 votes in an area where there are only 638 voters is one hell of an irregularity. :blah:

I have no confidence in the electronic voting. Yeah, there could be fraud when counting paper ballots - but I think that fraud would be easier to spot and prove than anythign that happens on these machines.
 

Damn True

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Slugman said:
3880 votes in an area where there are only 638 voters is one hell of an irregularity. :blah:

I have no confidence in the electronic voting. Yeah, there could be fraud when counting paper ballots - but I think that fraud would be easier to spot and prove than anythign that happens on these machines.

Four years ago the culprit was those danged archaic paper ballots.

That is too damn funny.
 

Slugman

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Damn True said:
Four years ago the culprit was those danged archaic paper ballots.

That is too damn funny.
OK... maybe not THAT paper system (F'ing butterfly hanging chad crap). :D

I liked RI's - arrow next to the candidate name, you fill in the arrow of the guy you want... seemed simple enough.

I'm also not saying he didn't win (hence the "blah" smilie), but that doesn' make me trust the new systems.
 

Slugman

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Damn True said:
Better quit using ATMs too.
Diebold makes most of those.
But they are capable of giving me a print out (i.e. paper record)...

All they need to do is print out something like your ATM receipt which you sign and drop in a box.

Implement that - I'm all for it.
 

Toshi

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I asked this in another thread, but no one answered, so I'll ask again.

Why isn't the FEC in charge of manufacturing all voting machines?
 

Toshi

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my guess is because elections are ultimately a state affair, which in turn is a vestige of the days of the federation.