[narlus]

this was in the brit papers i was reading last week when i was in sweden (argh, can't read swedish, too many funny things over their vowels). seems to refute bush's assertion of the abu ghraib torture as a "few bad apples".

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=529316

oops, just noticed that you need to be a subscriber to read the whole article, i'll try to find another link.

here's one

 

[Tenchiro]

Dubya personally asked me to torture poor Habib the 7-11 clerk...

 

[Toshi]

come on rhino/n8/nicklin/assorted bush apologists... where are you?

 

[MMike]

apologists...

Wasn't she Prince's drummer in Purple Rain or something?

 

[narlus]

nicklin's too busy apologizing for marzocchi.

 

[RhinofromWA]

come on rhino/n8/nicklin/assorted bush apologists... where are you?

lunch

 

[RhinofromWA]

Legal and constitutional experts have expressed astonishment at the judgments made by administration lawyers on interrogation techniques. In one memo, written in January 2002, Mr Gonzalez told President Bush that the nature of the war on terror "renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions".

Scott Silliman, a former US air force lawyer and the director of the Centre for Law Ethics and National Security at Duke University, said: "What you have is a culture of avoidance of law rather than compliance with it."

A separate memo, written by Pentagon lawyers in March 2003, stated that "the infliction of pain or suffering per se, whether it is physical or mental is insufficient to amount to torture. [The pain] must be of such a high level of intensity that it is difficult for the subject to endure".

Well I scanned the article and it is void of much detail. But it seems administration lawyers were giving bad advice. Saying they were not violating the geneva prisoner interigation tactics......

Did Bush give the Order to dress them down to nothing and do stuff to them? I don't know....yet.

Like I said all the article said is that the questions were asked and deemed under guidance to not be an issue.

Rhino

good enough for the Hang Bush High lynch mob?

 

[RhinofromWA]

Dubya personally asked me to torture poor Habib the 7-11 clerk...

Buying foot long spicy hot dogs and defacating in the door way of Habib's 7-11 isn't torture....it is just nasty.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Awwwww come on! Did I dissapoint? Or was the foot long spicy thing over the top?

 

[MMike]

Awwwww come on! Did I dissapoint? Or was the foot long spicy thing over the top?

I'm still smarting that no-one thought my Prince joke was funny...

 

[Tenchiro]

Awwwww come on! Did I dissapoint? Or was the foot long spicy thing over the top?

I just avoid men who talk about my wiener....

 

[narlus]

i guess if no one had heard this before, then the answer is no, the press didn't cover it.

 

[RhinofromWA]

I'm still smarting that no-one thought my Prince joke was funny...

Pince is serious business ask any woman 32-45yo

NEVER-EVER joke about Prince........well you are going back to Canada....go ahead get it out of your system....just be preparred to run from the angry estrigen riddled mob of formally know as normal women.

 

[RhinofromWA]

I just avoid men who talk about my wiener....

When is splits on the side I would start to worry.

 

[RhinofromWA]

i guess if no one had heard this before, then the answer is no, the press didn't cover it.

Sorry Narlus,

First I have heard of "new evidence" but I am sure it will break once there is something to disect....other than second hand rumor. not saying it isn't there but maybe you are a few days early.

I am sure the flags are up.....we will see/hear about it soon when it hits the streets.

Thanks for the heads up

 

[genpowell71]

this was in the brit papers i was reading last week when i was in sweden (argh, can't read swedish, too many funny things over their vowels). seems to refute bush's assertion of the abu ghraib torture as a "few bad apples".

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=529316

oops, just noticed that you need to be a subscriber to read the whole article, i'll try to find another link.

here's one

Can we let this rest now? I'm tired of hearing about how the rest of the world thinks the American army mistreats the prisoners. That was the Army reserve. Those idiots are civilians that can carry guns. I wouldnt trust them to gaurd a case of beer.
Having done some interrogating myself, I'm here to tell you that the best way to make terrorist talk is to blindfold him, ties his hands, put him in a small room. FInd a portable stereo, and play pantera as loud as it'll crank. Let it go for an hour and I promise after that he'll sing like a parakeet.

 

[N8 v2.0]

this was in the brit papers i was reading last week when i was in sweden (argh, can't read swedish, too many funny things over their vowels). seems to refute bush's assertion of the abu ghraib torture as a "few bad apples".

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=529316

oops, just noticed that you need to be a subscriber to read the whole article, i'll try to find another link.

here's one

Not really but the following has had some air play...
-N8

Thousands in Ireland protest Bush visit
AP | 6-25-04 | SHAWN POGATCHNIK

DUBLIN, Ireland -- Thousands of left-wing activists marched through the Irish capital Friday to protest the arrival of President Bush for a brief summit with European Union chiefs.

Rallying under the "Stop Bush Campaign" banner, the crowd of about 10,000 waved signs denouncing Bush as a warmonger and calling for an end to American military flights though Shannon Airport, a strategic refueling point used by thousands of U.S. troops each month.

The protesters marched from north Dublin to the south-side office of Prime Minister Bertie Ahern, whose decision to keep Shannon available for Iraq-bound forces has angered many in this officially neutral nation.

"Good people of America," read one placard, "vote that son of a Bush out."

"If we don't speak out, our silence will be taken as consent," Dublin Mayor Andrew Montague told the crowd. "This president lied to the world about the reasons for invading Iraq."

In an interview with state broadcaster RTE, Ahern said Ireland's open airport policy didn't amount to support for the U.S. war effort. However, he stressed that those opposed to the U.S.-led occupation of Iraq should recognize that times were changing, and European Union cooperation with Bush over Iraq was essential.

Ahern, the current president of the 25-nation EU, said the latest U.N. resolution on Iraq called on world body members to "help the coalition forces in Iraq. So whatever the arguments of last year were, those arguments are dead."

But few in the crowd wanted to forget the war in Iraq. Leaders of Green Party handed out copies of a mock set of instructions advising protesters how to make a "citizen's arrest" of Bush if they meet him.

That prospect appeared remote as, 150 miles west on the far coast of Ireland, more than 6,000 police and soldiers set up checkpoints and shut down key roads near the summit site in the biggest security operation ever mounted in Ireland.

The Irish security forces' primary goal was to prevent protesters from breaching perimeter security at Shannon, where Air Force One landed Friday evening, or the nearby Dromoland Castle, a luxury hotel hosting the summit Saturday.

Hundreds of officers from Ireland's national police force, the Garda Siochana, formed a cordon about 100 yards from the airport entrance and blocked about 1,200 protesters.

Riot police were on standby, but the protest was peaceful. Some demonstrators said the police presence was heavy-handed.

An Irish Navy vessel intercepted a boatload of protesters on the Shannon estuary Friday. Among three people arrested was one of Ireland's most prominent peace campaigners, former Irish army officer Ed Horgan, who last year sued the government in a failed bid to make Ahern close Shannon Airport to U.S. military flights.
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Hey Ireland thanks for free riding off the WWII Allies and NATO for the past 54 years...

 

[LordOpie]

Hey Ireland thanks for free riding off the WWII Allies and NATO for the past 54 years...

"In my judgment, when the United States says there will be serious consequences, and if there isn't serious consequences, it creates adverse consequences." —George W. Bush, Meet the Press, Feb. 8, 2004

 

[fluff]

-- Thousands of left-wing activists -------------------------



Hey Ireland thanks for free riding off the WWII Allies and NATO for the past 54 years...

Thousands of left wing activists eh? Are they left wing simply becuase they diagree with Bush? And activists because they walk?

Oh and you may want to check your WWII history sport, Eire weren't in it...

 

[N8 v2.0]

Thousands of left wing activists eh? Are they left wing simply becuase they diagree with Bush? And activists because they walk?

Oh and you may want to check your WWII history sport, Eire weren't in it...

Like Germany would have recognized Eire's 'neutrality' if the invasion of GB had been sucessful.... Same for the Soviets. It was thanks to spilt blood of the UK's armies and allied that Ireland had the luxury of neutrality.

 

[narlus]

actually (and i'm no historian, so i could well be talking out my arse), i've heard stories that eire was contemplating siding w/ the axis as a way to get rid of britain from the island. not sure if that's true.

 

[nicklin]

come on rhino/n8/nicklin/assorted bush apologists... where are you?

first of all, i can care less about your aging liberal hippie douche views of the world.

second, i'm waiting for a better president. never in time did i say bush is a good president. i happen to think he is being way too soft on the al queda. heck, he cut veteran benefitsand led the indians took our jobs.

third, f*ck off, don't make me come to portland and kick your scrawny hippie a*s. Since you are so intolerant of conservatives, i have to right to be intolerant of you so-called tolerant liberal hippie scumbags.

fourth, at least we didn't enforce the "take no prisoners' or cut off any towelhead's skulls on national TV yet so you are preaching to the choir here.

fifth, if you hippies keep on taking guns away from us californians, we'll kick you in the nuts.

have a nice day, much obliged for the attention.

 

[nicklin]

nicklin's too busy apologizing for marzocchi.

yes, i apologize for the horrible pain that i inflicted on my rockshox forks,

i apologize for not wanting saddam to continue killing, torturing, and massacring his own people.

i apologize for the family of those hundreds of men who were shot who attended that fateful night of iraqi national congress when sadam excuted half the audience ONE BY ONE.

I apologize for not wanting to see the mass grave get any bigger.

i apologize for thinking interrogation is infinitly better than be-heading.

i apologize for believing in liberating a oppressed country.

i apologize for wanting to get rid of a lunatic in the middle east, where you liberals get your gas for your SUV's.

i apologize for supporting the military, the only people who are willing to put their lives on the line for you and I.

I apologize that the we can't conceal our motives better than the frogs or the square heads who had stakes beyond your wildest imagination in trying to preventing htis war.

i apologize that i'm a patriot.

I apologize that you liberals assume my view on the president simply becasue of my patriotism.

wait a second, i'm not a apologist, I'm just burtally honest. it's fine for you hippies to take the easy way out and blame someone, but I don't swing that way. no, thank you

 

[LordOpie]

Nick, I agree with you about pretty much everything, but your attitude makes me wanna be liberal and drink cyanide laced kool-aid. Don't be such an ass... we've got PLENTY of 'em here already.