thats my next upgrade tooTranscend said:
Digital photo printing question
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Transcend said:
Tell me more.
I only have one internal 80gb. I'm guessing that I might want more than 512MB of RAM too, because sometimes I have problems with pics and video editing.EDIT: Tell me the differences between JPEG Normal and JPEG Fine, other than the fact that Fine is a bigger file size.
A raw image is, as explained, basically a negative. When you select RAW, you will get the highest quality and size your camera will produce. Every time.dwaugh said:
You crop after the fact in processing, just as you would when printing a regular photo from film.
I wouldn't try and edit 50mb raw files with 512mb of ram. My desktop has 4gb and my laptop 2gb.
There are a lot of ways to have a certain preset curve or image adjustment that can be applied across groups of images.justsomeguy said:
No matter how you attack it, a JPG comes out of the camera as a "finished" image. A RAW image comes out as a "negative", that needs something applied to it to look good.
That's the last I have to say on the subject, though. You can agree or disagree.
No, certainly not. As far as size goes, what you get as JPG or RAW is 100% of the data that the camera has to offer. It can be enlarged, but only to a certain extent, like you can enlarge any other image. There will be quality degredation.dwaugh said:
One of the advantages of RAW though, is that ANY image manipulation you do to it will cause less degredation than manipulating a JPG file. Blowing up an image will always cause a big loss in image quality, though.
Does that mean after I get it printed? I'm a beginner, help me out a bit.
Anything on JPEG Fine? I'm guessing it is better than Normal, but what makes it better?
Also, my RAW seems to have a problem, they are coming out as 160x120 pixels. The programs that I have to use are Paint Shop Pro 5 and The GIMP.
I thought 512MB of RAM was normal, if not more than normal? Wow, I am living in the past I guess.....
Time for upgrades... 
Gaming or lots of phot work = more ram the better. Especially for photo work. if you are editing big files, w/ layers, etc, it starts to chew up alot of ram, then the system needs to go to virtual memory (or "scratch disk" in Photoshop) if it runs out. Disk memory is sslllloooowww compared to ram.dwaugh said:I thought 512MB of RAM was normal, if not more than normal? Wow, I am living in the past I guess.....
Since I upgraded my proc and my ram to 2gb Photoshop (and GIMP) opens and runs screamingly fast and never locks up. I work on multiple 50-100 mb files all the time.
You don't need the absolute fastest ram either, quantity counts more than speed for photo work. Save the expensive ram for the gamers.
No matter how many times you repeat it, you remain incorrect.binary visions said:
Perhaps that's true in the white lens world but on the dark side, you don't need to "tweak all of your images before they're even presentable(since it applies no white balance, no sharpening, no contrast enhancement, etc.)" nor do you need to "modify even your "snapshot" pictures."
Open in Capture, save as jpeg, voila, a jpeg with camera settings. No tweaking of white balance, sharpening, contrast, etc. was necessary by the photographer.
Open in PS (ACR is autiomatically launched) tick Camera Settings, save as jpeg voila, a jpeg with camera settings. No tweaking of white balance, sharpening, contrast, etc. was necessary by the photographer.
etc., etc.
Thanks for your permission. In related news, the Sun rises in the East!binary visions said:
PSP5 and GIMP may not handle your RAW file properly. Try using the software that came with the camera - you should be able to open the RAW file that way. There are also other programs available - do a Google search.dwaugh said:
PSP and GIMP may have plugins that will support RAW, I'm not sure, I just know that a lot of applications won't natively support RAW.
The image viewing application I pimp all the time, IrfanView, claims it will display RAW images properly but it's pretty limited in the image editing adjustments.
Definitely bump up to a gig at least if you've ever got some spare bucks. I've got a gig right now and imagine I'll upgrade pretty soon. 512 is actually almost considered bare minimum nowI thought 512MB of RAM was normal, if not more than normal? Wow, I am living in the past I guess.....
(not really, but a lot of computers are coming stock with a gig now).If everything is working smoothly with no serious slowdowns, though, well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Ok... anyone want to answer the question about JPEG Fine? I have been using Normal, but something tells me Fine will be a bit better.
I forget what it said exactly, but when I tried to open the RAW, GIMP said something about not finding something... I'll try it again tonight.
I forget what it said exactly, but when I tried to open the RAW, GIMP said something about not finding something... I'll try it again tonight.
Oh no! I've been publically ignored by a delicate, fragile flower type.H8R said:
Oh the humanity, how will I continue posting knowing that he won't be dropping in anymore and whining like a little girl who dropped her snowcone?
I would REALLY suggest cozying up with your owner's manual and reading it from cover to cover. Many of the answers that you're looking for are right there in the manual.dwaugh said:
Yes, fine is better than normal.
Congrats. You're just saying the other stuff because we've slept together in strange foreign lands.Qman said:
It refers to the amount of compression the camera applies to the jpeg file.dwaugh said:
Do you have any mp3's? Think of it in terms of bitrate. The algorithim for Jpeg Fine will toss less info then the one for Jpeg normal. You'll end up with slightly better image quality, but have a larger file.
Take a few test shots on a tripod of the same stationary subject with each setting, blow them up in PS and see if you can tell a difference...
Basicly a RAW image is 32x48 inches (I think) for an 8 megapixel file, if you want to print a certain section of that you just crop it so it fits your needs. If you want to print smaller, thats no problem, you just tell it you want a 8x10 or whatever you need and the printer drivers will figure it out, you will get the full image but in the coerrect size. By cropping you just lose a little of your maximum size potential.dwaugh said:Does that mean after I get it printed? I'm a beginner, help me out a bit.
Anything on JPEG Fine? I'm guessing it is better than Normal, but what makes it better?
Also, my RAW seems to have a problem, they are coming out as 160x120 pixels. The programs that I have to use are Paint Shop Pro 5 and The GIMP.
I thought 512MB of RAM was normal, if not more than normal? Wow, I am living in the past I guess.....
That all made sense in my head.... but it may not make any sense when you read it. The next part may be the same way.
As far as Jpeg fine vs not so fine. Jpegs are compressed so you lose quality when you save the file. Cay for instance you take a picture of a white wall, instead of saving 6 million white pixels and their info. It writes an equation that says "this portion is all this color" so the total file size can be smaller. Jpeg fine will compress less, most likley has more finite way to differentiate between colors and will thus save more info. The best way to see this difference it to look at the file size of animage yhat's predominitly one color, then look at the file size of an image with lots of different colors. The multi color file should be larger than the bland one.
As for memory find out what type of memory your computer takes, and get some more. If your using a PC it should be realy cheap and easy to find. I run 6 gigs on my desktop, it realy comes in handy when your looking through and editing 1000+ images. Hardrives are cheap too I just picked up another 300gig external drive for like $200. Very worthwhile if you plan on taking allot of pictures.
Thanks, you told me just about eveything I needed to know for now.maxyedor said:
Only one thing to clarify... 32x48" picture (although my camera is 6.1 megapixel, just an example...) when using RAW, does RAW have a certain dpi or are they completely different (I think they are, but I just want to make sure).
6gigs?? 1000+ pictures at once? I'm not there quite yet....
I'm not exactly made of money, if I was I would have at least have had my front brake on my stinky fixed by now that mysteriously stopped working over a month ago...
EDIT: Before opening a RAW image in any programs, I looked at it straight from the camera and it still said it was 160x120 pixels....? I need to find my manual again and look at it...
My guess is that it is showing you a thumbnail that is 160x120. But the manual is the place to go for that.dwaugh said:Thanks, you told me just about eveything I needed to know for now.
Only one thing to clarify... 32x48" picture (although my camera is 6.1 megapixel, just an example...) when using RAW, does RAW have a certain dpi or are they completely different (I think they are, but I just want to make sure).
6gigs?? 1000+ pictures at once? I'm not there quite yet....
I'm not exactly made of money, if I was I would have at least have had my front brake on my stinky fixed by now that mysteriously stopped working over a month ago...
EDIT: Before opening a RAW image in any programs, I looked at it straight from the camera and it still said it was 160x120 pixels....? I need to find my manual again and look at it...
As for dpi thats one of those things that I don't have a clue on. In photoshop it will tell you and actual maximum print size at 300dpi, but in other programs I havn't a clue
If it is set to raw capture only, there is no possiblke way that your image is under the maximum image size for you camera. That is essentially what raw is.
Something else is going on between removing the pics from the camera, and final output.
Something else is going on between removing the pics from the camera, and final output.
I think his camera has been exposed to electric eals, we'll sew whats up once he reads his manual thouroughlyTranscend said:
My laptop has 512mb. I'm going to get a 1mb card for one slot and keep the stock 128mb card in the other slot.
I need to get ex. harddrives. I am thinking of getting 2 250GB drives: 1 for photos, 1 for video.
I need to get ex. harddrives. I am thinking of getting 2 250GB drives: 1 for photos, 1 for video.