Any inside info on that?
Do Hill, Peaty etc. run air Boxxers or not?
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the run the boxxer wc's
you read it in dirt, and it was a quote from tim flooks of TF tuned suspension.
Vasquez runs a spring in his fork, but he is the only one i know of that does it.
peat, rennie, and hill, jonier, pascal, etc all run the air spring... though some of them modified the airchamber to make it smaller and get a more progressive rate at the end of the travel (by modified i mean glueing 1 or 2 preload spacers meant for a coil spring to the underside of the air cap)
if you look close at a WC race when the forks are in the SRAM truck for servicing you can see the settings written in black marker on the back of the lower legs.
jonty neethling runs a spring
i'm sure if a ti spring was available, more people would go the spring route, as it would be about a wash in terms of weight
i'm sure if a ti spring was available, more people would go the spring route, as it would be about a wash in terms of weight
I think they run crackwhore-babies in one leg.
rennie runs springs...blows up air too fast
I know Peaty and Rennie used to run springs but at Worlds it looked like they were both on air.
can you give more details?
They had air caps on their forks. Maybe they just put the top caps on.
This is what I was talking about. They both have air caps but they could still be running coils.
i think mick hannah runs coils, i bounced on his bike at the rotorua worlds, it was a coil
i heard they all put 2% milk in their cereal. Better get on the program if you want to go faster
the air caps work perfectly well as a preload cap, and rock shox wouldn't want people to know that the pros don't run their air system. i was asking what evidence do you have that they might be running coil springs?
What if I buy a single 2005 firm WC titanium spring - this one for example http://www.sbrsports.com/56-17597 - and use it with my 07 Team to get a soft feeling fork. Then, with shim stack removal, full LSC and some floodgate I could reach less fork dive...
the advice to run 2 preload caps glued under my air cap came by way of Sam's mechanic, so I'm guessing he doesn't use springs. And if he does, great, I won't lose sleep over it.
spring won't fit. i posted this question a few weeks ago
someone needs to invent the titanium spring for the new boxxers, theyd be rich
no. they will make a lot of people happier
I had one. You need a longer spacer because the 05 springs are shorter.
did you use the 05 firm? how long was the spacer? how did it feel and work?
I didn´t have the titanium spring, but a steel 05 spring, so it should fit the same way. If I remember correct, you need to preload it about an inch, or maybe a little more, than the 06/07 springs (+ the other spacers that you use). An old-school boxxer spacer will do fine, they´re about an inch long. Just drop down the spring in the stanchion and ad spacer (ot whatever you like that´ll do the job) until you get the same distance frome springspacer to the topcap-threads, as with the 06/07 springs.
Yea, I used the red one (firm). It felt softer than x-soft 06/07... Too soft for most people and for me. It was just an experiment. I don´t know how many lbs/in 05 vs 06/07 springs are ( I´m sure you can find it around here ). But, because 06/07 carries one spring, they´re a lot stiffer. So, the x-firm 05 will still be a "soft" spring. The ti mod will probebly not work for the heavier rider, if it´s the 05 Ti.
Yea, I used the red one (firm). It felt softer than x-soft 06/07... Too soft for most people and for me. It was just an experiment. I don´t know how many lbs/in 05 vs 06/07 springs are ( I´m sure you can find it around here ). But, because 06/07 carries one spring, they´re a lot stiffer. So, the x-firm 05 will still be a "soft" spring. The ti mod will probebly not work for the heavier rider, if it´s the 05 Ti.
When i spoke to Tim Flookes about getting my Boxxer air made into teams (because they blew) He said Peaty and other pro's had done the same... so words from the man who tunes their forks!!!! he must know...
how do you fill the right leg with air if there's a spacer(or two) glued under the top cap???
or did i miss somethin' ?
or did i miss somethin' ?
just drill a hole in the center of the caps....
Whats the purpose of the additional spacers?
the wc air spring rocks. lighter than anything, super reliable, infinitely tunable, no coil/stantion rub... what's not to love? is anybody really having issues with them, or are wc fanboys clamoring to stuff springs in their forks because a few pros are rumored to have them? (granted, i'm not a wc pro, so may not have the adequate skills to discern the relative crappyness of the air spring).
Great thread it's obvious that both the coil and air forks are not going to hold me back at my riding level. However I suspect the coil is a much better privateer option when weighing in factors such as COST, reliability, and performance. Something General Lee might not be thinking about.
I am totally with you, I love my WCs too. I was just wondering if anybody has some serious info about the whole air/ coil rumors. Down at Maribor WC the last rumor that I heard was that the RS pros ride dual air Boxxers.................:biggrin:
wrong on that last count. I'm not losing sleep over whether they run coil or air springs because i'm not buying into the idea that it makes any difference to me. Boxer team: great fork, boxxer wc: great fork, tuned properly neither will get you down the hill any faster than the other.
that being said, the only real gripes i've heard about the air spring are from guys who are really heavy. i'd imagine there is an optimum pressure range for the boxxer wc and anyone going above or below it might not get the best feel.
there already is a hole in the center. no need to do anything.
Plus those who are experiencing premature hand soreness will probably be finer with the WCs as it dampens the vibrations better. Arguably, but for me it makes sense.
People just hate admitting that air might actually work better than coil, and love spreading rumours. But hey, their loss. In actual fact the WC is more tuneable, has LESS stiction (much less surface area of sliding components inside, and much more consistency in that sliding compared to a squirming spring covered in isolators), weighs less, doesn't leave you with the hassle of finding an expensive Ti spring (that'll very likely be the wrong rate for you unless you're a featherweight)... oh the list goes on.
Solo air is incredibly reliable and has a rate *fairly* close to linear (ie. coil) and come service time, it's a joy to work on and will set you back $1 in o-rings and 5ml of oil.
Oh yeah, and most of the pro's worth talking about do run solo air (read: sam), and I'm quite confident that peat has been running air variants of boxxers since back in 02/03 maybe even earlier. Wish people could build a bridge and get over this, it comes up once a month here without fail.
Yeah exactly what I said? "it's obvious that both the coil and air forks are not going to hold me back at my riding level"
Let me put it out there point blank for you. If one pays for their equipment, and the WC costs significantly more than the Team, however neither offers a significant performance advantage over the other, why would one buy the WC?
Easy. Because one can; and because some people will simply want to buy at the high-end for the sole fact that it is high-end. Hardly a new idea idea, and one can find such examples in almost any consumer market.:huh:
Nice thing about the WC is the ability to adjust the air spring to your exact preference/weight.