[burgerks]

Saw the article about Kyle Striat in Flow, and I am thinking of trying to learn how to DJ (outside of DHing) and I want to build up a bike, but even a cruiser is to small for my mtn bike arse. I don't want to cross any lines or not be welcome. As far as the bike goes I saw Kyle's bike had a gyro for tailwhips and bar spins etc, how does that work with lines for gears and front and rear brakes?
thanks
the other kyle

 

[SR]

I wouldn't worry about not being welcome or anything...just do it because you want to and because you like it. People have been DJing on mountain bikes for years. If someone has a problem with it, does that mean you shouldn't do it? I ride both mountain bikes and bmx and I've never heard anything negative.

I don't personally like gyros...they seem to take a lot of breaking power away but to each his own. [hint] you can still do barspins without em

 

[ADSfreeride]

bring what you got, it should never matter what kind of bike you're riding.
That particular bike of Kyles is a 24bikes PornKing. It is set up as a single speed, the front brake is routed through the steering tube of the fork, and the gyro is used for his cable actuated rear brake

 

[burgerks]

Originally posted by soulrider
I don't personally like gyros...they seem to take a lot of breaking power away but to each his own. [hint] you can still do barspins without em

ha ha ha thanks, without them I can only see running extra long cables, am I missing something else?

thanks ADS too

 

[Fenner]

no thats the idea you run long enough cables so that you can spin the bars once. it dosent take much.

 

[PaulE]

The one thing about mountain bikes that is often unwelcome is the large, highly treaded tyres. They tend to rip jumps up a bit.... if you run smaller, less agresive treads then that's the only legitimate problem with MTBs gone.... anyone else who complains is just being a closed minded fool....

 

[SwisSlesS]

If you're building up a mountain bike specifically for dirt jumping, you should just do a single speed. There's no reason to have gears, and it's also just less stuff to break.

Originally posted by PaulE
The one thing about mountain bikes that is often unwelcome is the large, highly treaded tyres. They tend to rip jumps up a bit.... if you run smaller, less agresive treads then that's the only legitimate problem with MTBs gone.... anyone else who complains is just being a closed minded fool....

Agreed. The people who don't like mountain bikers don't like them because they ruin the jumps. Get a reasonable, maybe even dirt jumping specific tire, and you'll be fine. Bikers are cool for the most part, whether they be on a mountain bike or a BMX.

 

[El Jefe]

Originally posted by SwisSlesS
If you're building up a mountain bike specifically for dirt jumping, you should just do a single speed. There's no reason to have gears, and it's also just less stuff to break.

Yeah, for dj, ss is the way to go. I have my Kona Roast set up ss, with an E-thirteen guide acting as my chain tensioner and the bashring there for when I do urban, or take it freeriding.

I dremelled the derailleur hanger and fashioned it into a bottle opener.

 

[pnj]

Originally posted by PaulE
The one thing about mountain bikes that is often unwelcome is the large, highly treaded tyres. They tend to rip jumps up a bit.... if you run smaller, less agresive treads then that's the only legitimate problem with MTBs gone.... anyone else who complains is just being a closed minded fool....

the other thing that pisses off people is not respecting them or their area. If you ride up to a new set of jumps don't just start jumping right away. get to know the flow of the place (if there is any) and ask who's jumps they are. ask when they dig or if you can help with the construction of new ones.

don't assume because they are on public land that they are public jumps. it takes ALOT of work to build good jumps and lots of work to maintan them. when strangers show up and destroy stuff it really pisses the people off that spent days/months/years working on them. and if these people are different in some way (say, mountain bikers) then this increases the tension between the groups.

it's something that sounds like common sense but often doesn't take place at the trails.

most of all, have fun!

 

[PaulE]

Originally posted by pnj
the other thing that pisses off people is not respecting them or their area. If you ride up to a new set of jumps don't just start jumping right away. get to know the flow of the place (if there is any) and ask who's jumps they are. ask when they dig or if you can help with the construction of new ones.

don't assume because they are on public land that they are public jumps. it takes ALOT of work to build good jumps and lots of work to maintan them. when strangers show up and destroy stuff it really pisses the people off that spent days/months/years working on them. and if these people are different in some way (say, mountain bikers) then this increases the tension between the groups.

it's something that sounds like common sense but often doesn't take place at the trails.

most of all, have fun!

Very true. I don't think that's specific to mountain bikers, but it's really annoying when someone comes and rides and ignores all the others there. we're having problems with this at our local DH riding spot, people can't ride some of the harder lines so, instead of learning to ride them, or going round, they make them easier.... really anoying when you've put time into making a challenging run......

DO you get people turning doubles into tabletops? that used to be a problem at my old trails (r.i.p.) and the culprits always seemed to demolish other jumps to get the dirt to fill in the gaps.... Having said that (and proably come across as a right grumpy sod) it's always cool to get people coming to ride a spot you've helped to develop, and there seems to be many more curteous riders than there are assholes.

 

[serbdog]

Originally posted by pnj
don't assume because they are on public land that they are public jumps. it takes ALOT of work to build good jumps and lots of work to maintan them. when strangers show up and destroy stuff it really pisses the people off that spent days/months/years working on them.

no dig, no jump

 

[pnj]

Originally posted by serbdog
no dig, no jump

word.

we had a few jumps years ago that this one kid would show up and destroy the lips once or twice a month. he used a shovel because he wanted to make jumps like the local track had (no lips, pure racer style)

we said over and over again, please don't destroy the dirt piles we made, dig over there(pointing five feet away) he wouldn't do it.
I think he got his as$ kicked in the end by someone....

in the summer time you can't really dig so if you show up and it's dry and hard(the dirt) let the locals know that your down for diggin when it's time.

 

[Li'l Dave]

I agree, for the most part mountain bikers are welcome so long as they don't screw anything up. I also think Gyros kinda suck, I just run singlespeed, make my cable kind of long, and run the front brake through the steerer tube. Here's my bike, I'm using much more of a BMX tire too(Arrow Launch tires) For the most part dirtjumping mountain bikes are just bmx bikes with larger wheels and a suspension fork.

 

[SwisSlesS]

Man Dave, you've been posting that picture of your bike all over the place today.

 

[dream4est]

hey lil dave since your so proud of that bike its time to let me jump it on the big lines at eaton!!! i promise i wont break it when i throw it away trying that second jump on the outside line! cmon you can just take it back to full cycle and wave your magic wand and voila it will be like new. you let that one guy ride your v10. i think its time for dave's hardtail demo day! see ya at the jumps man. here is a pic of your buddy jonathan doing the nose job.

www.dreamforestmtb.com

 

[SwisSlesS]

You got the bike Dave...share the wealth .

 

[Li'l Dave]

Sorry about posting that pic so much, I really like the thing. Plus I finally got a digi cam, so I'm screwing around with it. I should take my V10 out there again, I gotta get real comfy on it before I go out to BC this summer. I'm gonna have to show Wade Simmons who's boss, I'll teach a lesson or two about riding bicycles.

 

[Ian F]

It really depends on the area and the riders who built the jumps. I'm always riding other's jumps so I try to be courtious.

Most DJ'ers seem to dislike mtn bikers because on average we tend to be inexperienced and case the landings a lot and leave them in shambles. If you wreck a landing, fix it.

Part of what I love about DJ-ing is going to different trails and adjusting to the different style of jumps. All areas seem to be built a bit different. Lips, spacing, etc. Great for training you to adapt. NEVER rebuild some else's jumps because they're "not your style." That's total B.S.

If you really want to endear yourself to the locals, grab a shovel and help out for a bit if they're building. A little sweat-equity goes a long way here. SDH and I did this near his place and the locals were noticably friendlier afterwards.

 

[KaiMana]

I started jumping at a strictly bmx spot and it was all good, I did plenty of digging and improving.

Then I built a new jump not in a rhythem and totally out of the way. It was a fairly big step down with not as quick and steep a lip as most of the jumps there. The little bastards moved the lip closer built a raised landing and made it ridiculously steep and quick. Anyway, the jump was small and unmaintainable after that. The next one I built was even bigger with nowhere to shorten it :angry: .

I think there is a fundamental difference(at least where I jump) in how bmxers like to build jumps.

 

[biggins]

my suggestion for a dj bike is the P1 that specialized makes. 5oo bucks complete and jumps like a twenty inch. as far as jump construction there are obvious differences in jumps for 26 and 20 inch bikes due to diameter of the tire. i notice a lot of the 20 inch jumps that i hit feel like your slamming your tire into a wall. as far as 20 inch riders go i jump at a very popular 20 inch area but the mtb contingency is growing. i have had a few bad experiences with the guys but not to much. they usually just look at me like i am a frak and are not friendly i think it is because i wear a helmet. that is kind of a joke. just put your time in jumping AND maintaining/building and show them that you are not a threat. if you case it and dont know how to fix it properly ask someone and they will gladly tell you. best of luck on your dirt jumping experience.

 

[usmc2be]

its all for the love man...just be cool ....it doesnt matter if u are on a bmx bike or a mountain bike man you both love dirt jumping and thats all that matters both need to dig and keep the jumps in tact after that everything should fall into place i love my new dj1 and 2003 azonic evolution