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Study Cautions Runners to Limit Their Water Intake
The NY Times | April 14, 2005 | GINA KOLATA

After years of telling athletes to drink as much liquid as possible to avoid dehydration, some doctors are now saying that drinking too much during intense exercise poses a far greater health risk.

An increasing number of athletes - marathon runners, triathletes and even hikers in the Grand Canyon - are severely diluting their blood by drinking too much water or too many sports drinks, with some falling gravely ill and even dying, the doctors say.

New research on runners in the Boston Marathon, published today in The New England Journal of Medicine, confirms the problem and shows how serious it is.

The research involved 488 runners in the 2002 marathon. The runners gave blood samples before and after the race. While most were fine, 13 percent of them - or 62 - drank so much that they had hyponatremia, or abnormally low blood sodium levels. Three had levels so low that they were in danger of dying.

The runners who developed the problem tended to be slower, taking more than four hours to finish the course. That gave them plenty of time to drink copious amounts of liquid. And drink they did, an average of three liters, or about 13 cups of water or of a sports drink, so much that they actually gained weight during the race.

The risks to athletes from drinking too much liquid have worried doctors and race directors for several years. As more slow runners entered long races, doctors began seeing athletes stumbling into medical tents, nauseated, groggy, barely coherent and with their blood severely diluted. Some died on the spot.

In 2003, U.S.A. Track & Field, the national governing body for track and field, long-distance running and race walking, changed its guidelines to warn against the practice.

Marathon doctors say the new study offers the first documentation of the problem.

"Before this study, we suspected there was a problem," said Dr. Marvin Adner, the medical director of the Boston Marathon, which is next Monday. "But this proves it."

Hyponatremia is entirely preventable, Dr. Adner and others said. During intense exercise the kidneys cannot excrete excess water. As people keep drinking, the extra water moves into their cells, including brain cells. The engorged brain cells, with no room to expand, press against the skull and can compress the brain stem, which controls vital functions like breathing. The result can be fatal.

But the marathon runners were simply following what has long been the conventional advice given to athletes: Avoid dehydration at all costs.

"Drink ahead of your thirst," was the mantra.

Doctors and sports drink companies "made dehydration a medical illness that was to be feared," said Dr. Tim Noakes, a hyponatremia expert at the University of Cape Town.

"Everyone becomes dehydrated when they race," Dr. Noakes said. "But I have not found one death in an athlete from dehydration in a competitive race in the whole history of running. Not one. Not even a case of illness."

On the other hand, he said, he knows of people who have sickened and died from drinking too much.

Hyponatremia can be treated, Dr. Noakes said. A small volume of a highly concentrated salt solution is given intravenously and can save a patient's life by pulling water out of swollen brain cells.

But, he said, doctors and emergency workers often assume that the problem is dehydration and give intravenous fluids, sometimes killing the patient. He and others advise testing the salt concentration of the athlete's blood before treatment.

For their part, runners can estimate how much they should drink by weighing themselves before and after long training runs to see how much they lose - and thus how much water they should replace.

But they can also follow what Dr. Paul D. Thompson calls "a rough rule of thumb."

Dr. Thompson, a cardiologist at Hartford Hospital in Connecticut and a marathon runner, advises runners to drink while they are moving.

"If you stop and drink a couple of cups, you are overdoing it," he said.

Dr. Adner said athletes also should be careful after a race. "Don't start chugging down water," he said.

Instead, he advised runners to wait until they began to urinate, a sign the body is no longer retaining water.

The paper's lead author, Dr. Christopher S. D. Almond, of Children's Hospital, said he first heard of hyponatremia in 2001 when a cyclist drank so much on a ride from New York to Boston that she had a seizure. She eventually recovered.

Dr. Almond and his colleagues decided to investigate how prevalent hyponatremia really was.

Until recently, the condition was all but unheard of because endurance events like marathons and triathlons were populated almost entirely by fast athletes who did not have time to drink too much.

"Elite athletes are not drinking much, and they never have," Dr. Noakes said.

The lead female marathon runner in the Athens Olympics, running in 97-degree heat drank just 30 seconds of the entire race.

In the 2002 Boston Marathon, said Dr. Arthur Siegel, of the Boston Marathon's medical team and the chief of internal medicine at Harvard's McLean Hospital in Belmont, Mass., the hyponatremia problem "hit us like a cannon shot" in 2002.

That year, a 28-year-old woman reached Heartbreak Hill, at Mile 20, after five hours of running and drinking sports drinks. She struggled to the top. Feeling terrible and assuming she was dehydrated, she chugged 16 ounces of the liquid.

"She collapsed within minutes," Dr. Siegel said.

She was later declared brain dead. Her blood sodium level was dangerously low, at 113 micromoles per liter of blood. (Hyponatremia starts at sodium levels below 135 micromoles, when brain swelling can cause confusion and grogginess. Levels below 120 can be fatal.)

No one has died since in the Boston Marathon, but there have been near misses there, with 7 cases of hyponatremia in 2003 and 11 last year, and deaths elsewhere, Dr. Siegel said. He added that those were just the cases among runners who came to medical tents seeking help.

In a letter, also in the journal, doctors describe 14 runners in the 2003 London Marathon with hyponatremia who waited more than four hours on average before going to a hospital. Some were lucid after the race, but none remembered completing it.

That sort of delay worries Dr. Siegel. "The bottom line is, it's a very prevalent problem out there, and crossing the edge from being dazed and confused to having a seizure is very tricky and can happen very, very fast," he said.

Boston Marathon directors want to educate runners not to drink so much, Dr. Siegel said. They also suggest that runners write their weights on their bibs at the start of the race. If they feel ill, they could be weighed again. Anyone who gains weight almost certainly has hyponatremia.

"Instead of waiting until they collapse and then testing their sodium, maybe we can nip it in the bud," Dr. Siegel said.
 

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Westy

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There have been times in the summer from just dealing with several hot days in a row that I start to feel tired and stupid and a good dose of electrolytes makes me feel much better.
 

BikeGeek

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Westy said:
There have been times in the summer from just dealing with several hot days in a row that I start to feel tired and stupid and a good dose of electrolytes makes me feel much better.
I used to disolve some endurolytes in my water, but now drink HEED when I ride. It's fixed my tired feeling, but I think I'm stuck with stupid. :D
 

=[Stinky]=

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BikeGeek said:
I used to disolve some endurolytes in my water, but now drink HEED when I ride. It's fixed my tired feeling, but I think I'm stuck with stupid. :D
That HEED stuff works really well.

Heard abiut some raver kid who killed themself by drinking to much water while rollin.
 

urbaindk

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Jul 12, 2004
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Yeah, This is nothing new or ground breaking science or anything.

I've had this sort of thing happen to me. I do a fair amount of backpacking and I was finding that I was drinking around 8-10 liters of water a day and I aways felt dehydrated. I would pull in to camp in the evening and feel wasted and have the most killer head ache you could imagine. I was thinking why on earth? I'm drinking 8 L of water and I'm pissing clear, I must be hydrated! I did a little reading and found out I was just diluting my blood sodium levels. Now I just snack on salt peanuts all day or eat a piece of summer sausage or something with high levels of sodium. I found that I can cut my water intake by about half. Which is really nice because I don't have to stop as often to filter!
 

LordOpie

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Oct 17, 2002
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BigMike said:
wow, I had no idea.

I have stopped drinking as much water when I ride, just because.

Do those sports drinks and additives actually make a difference?
If you ride pretty hard for more than an hour or two, you NEED something more than water.

Electrolytes, water, carbs and protein. Everyone's different in their needs so experiment to find out what works best for you.
 

BigMike

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LordOpie said:
If you ride pretty hard for more than an hour or two, you NEED something more than water.

Electrolytes, water, carbs and protein. Everyone's different in their needs so experiment to find out what works best for you.
I've never drank anythign other than water......... I wouldnt know where to start
 

Westy

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BigMike said:
wow, I had no idea.

I have stopped drinking as much water when I ride, just because.

Do those sports drinks and additives actually make a difference?
When you sweat you lose sodium, magnesium, potassium and calcium and of course water. If you just drink water those minerals (electrolytes) will run low in your body. Your body needs them basically as conductors so your nervous system can send signals. I guess you piss the same stuff so even if you don't sweat and just drink/pee alot they can run low. Stuff like Gatoraide has sodium in it but not enough for some people, most sports drinks lack the other essential electrolytes so it may be a good idea to supplement.

Some people sweat out more electrolytes than others. My hair practically turns white after a ride from all the salt built up on it.
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
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Westy said:
Some people sweat out more electrolytes than others. My hair practically turns white after a ride from all the salt built up on it.
me too.

To disgust my friends after a long ride, I'll lick the salts off of my face :D


Mike, you don't have to have any specialty items. If you're riding less than 2-3 hours, just drink some V8 and have a banana or two before you ride.

I use Cytomax cuz I think it's got the most potassium of any mix? I have two bottles with it and two without. Plus, jerky and other foods. I've heard that peanut butter can interfere with the anti-inflamatory properties of ibuprofen, so I don't use that as much any more... used to bring sandwiches.
 

COmtbiker12

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So does this mean that on a strenuous 2hour long ride with lots of climbing and tech stuff that I shouldn't be gradually drinking my Camelbak? I usually end up emptying out the bladder, and I figure that's about 2 liters.... :confused:
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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COmtbiker12 said:
So does this mean that on a strenuous 2hour long ride with lots of climbing and tech stuff that I shouldn't be gradually drinking my Camelbak? I usually end up emptying out the bladder, and I figure that's about 2 liters.... :confused:
electrolytes help brain function. Allows you to think more clearly, react better and faster in situations. You should be drinking an electrolyte/water mix while driving! Ya know, don't want to rear-end anyone.
 

COmtbiker12

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LordOpie said:
electrolytes help brain function. Allows you to think more clearly, react better and faster in situations. You should be drinking an electrolyte/water mix while driving! Ya know, don't want to rear-end anyone.
LOL! :D
Any recommendations on mixes? Or just bring some powerbars or something to snack on during the ride?
 

BigMike

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So, yeah, should I be using a mix? or is my constant V8 intake good enough? (Too bad I actually looked at whats in it, and one can is 37% dv of salt, so now i'm down to one can a day :()
 

Westy

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BigMike said:
So, yeah, should I be using a mix? or is my constant V8 intake good enough? (Too bad I actually looked at whats in it, and one can is 37% dv of salt, so now i'm down to one can a day :()

Do you have problems with high blood pressure? The recommended daily allowance crap if for a relatively sedentary person. If you are out sweating your ass off regularly you will need much more than joe average.
 

BigMike

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Westy said:
Do you have problems with high blood pressure? The recommended daily allowance crap if for a relatively sedentary person. If you are out sweating your ass off regularly you will need much more than joe average.

I don't but it runs in my family.

I know the dv stuff is based on average people, but I eat a LOT of salt! One can of V8 a day is just scratching the surface.

One day for breakfast, before we headed out to the mountains for a day of DH, I had a V8 and an entire bag of Chex Mix, one of the big ones. Birdwang was with me, and said he was waiting for my heart to explode
 

Skookum

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For what it's worth, Oatmeal, fig newtons, bananas, Nutri Grain bars, Harvest bars, Promax bars, Gatorade, water, Hammer Gel, and Inervate GT's abound before and during my big rides. Sometimes some trail mix and a little jerky is good too. :dancing:
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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BigMike said:
So, yeah, should I be using a mix? or is my constant V8 intake good enough? (Too bad I actually looked at whats in it, and one can is 37% dv of salt, so now i'm down to one can a day :()
Drink the low-sodium version... bumps up the potassium.

chicodude01 said:
So, cytomax is good stuff for this?
It's okay, but not by itself. Need to mix in some protein for longer rides.
 

chicodude

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LordOpie said:
It's okay, but not by itself. Need to mix in some protein for longer rides.

Er...how long of a ride? I did a 30 mile ride today with about 3000 feet of climbing. And what type and where should I get this protien?
 

LordOpie

MOTHER HEN
Oct 17, 2002
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well, everyone's different. I don't bother with protein for <4 hour rides and won't use anything but water on <2 hour rides.

I eat beef/turkey jerkey for the protein.

That ride sounds nice, Chicoandtheman, whereabouts?
 

Skookum

bikey's is cool
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chicodude01 said:
Er...how long of a ride? I did a 30 mile ride today with about 3000 feet of climbing. And what type and where should I get this protien?
meh you're young just stop and chew on a cactus and you'll be fine. :monkey:
 

hooples3

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Mar 14, 2005
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I have actually read a few years ago that obscene amounts of water taken can make you drunk. Its something like 4 2liter bottles an hour for 5 hrs. anyone else ever hear fo soemthing like that?
 

ioscope

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My biology teacher did that in college, just to see what it was like. He ended up getting stupid. He has summited everest twice, well, only once 'cos he had to carry some RUssiansd down from the false summit.
 

Barbaton

Turbo Monkey
May 11, 2002
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I'm suprised at how new everyone in the article says it is to them. 10 years ago when I was working construction my boss used to make us all eat those dried salted asian plum things that make your mouth seize up there's so much salt. Maybe people are more aware of it in drier places than Mass.