[DRB]

I am really beginning to question whether he wants to be President anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111287,00.html

Highlighting the benefits of sending US jobs overseas? The truth in this matter is NOT what I am talking about, I'm talking about the political intelligence of making such a statement.

 

[ohio]

I rescind my comments about us being isolationist.
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Outsourcing is a reality we must face, but not one we should welcome. I can't imagine what they were thinking, making a public statement like that. Even Rove can't spin that as a good thing.

 

[Westy]

Just goes to show that the Administration is more interested in making corporate execs happy than keeping American employed. Making American companies extremely successfull does not make America as a whole successfull.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Oy! *slaps forehead*

The administration's argument is that by outsourcing low-skilled jobs to cheap destinations, companies will have the resources to train American workers in high-skilled fields.

Not every American worker has the education or even the desire to work in a highly skilled field.

 

[Westy]

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
Oy! *slaps forehead*

The administration's argument is that by outsourcing low-skilled jobs to cheap destinations, companies will have the resources to train American workers in high-skilled fields.

Not every American worker has the education or even the desire to work in a highly skilled field.

Then they deserve to be unemployed, right.


There are several problems with that logic. Why would corporations spend money to train americans rather than just adding the money to the bottom line, or even just train high skilled cheap foreigners. So freaking frustrating.

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by Westy
Then they deserve to be unemployed, right.


There are several problems with that logic. Why would corporations spend money to train americans rather than just adding the money to the bottom line, or even just train high skilled cheap foreigners. So freaking frustrating.

It also makes the huge and probably incorrect assumption that there are many more highly-skilled positions suddenly available.

Spin, spin, eggs, and spin.

 

[$tinkle]

first off, they need to dump mcclellan - he's no ari fleischer.

it really chaps my hide when people like daschle, clinton & pelosi spout off their rhetoric - and are right! At least foxnews was fair & balanced by putting in print, eh? Perhaps some might dismiss it as a token jesture.

ok, now to my gravamen: tech jobs are going to india today, but not for good. You ever try to rectify your amex bill? their support is in india & it's hell trying to speak with those folks. Furthermore, there is more emphasis on security clearances, which are harder to come by if you're not a citizen (goes for subs, too). Add to that the US slashdotters who make well known their disdain for this penumbra, and i think we'll see a correction in the next couple of years. Unless of course, india starts exporting more of their films, thus lulling us with their non-glottal accent.

 

[Westy]

Originally posted by $tinkle
first off, they need to dump mcclellan - he's no ari fleischer.

it really chaps my hide when people like daschle, clinton & pelosi spout off their rhetoric - and are right! At least foxnews was fair & balanced by putting in print, eh? Perhaps some might dismiss it as a token jesture.

ok, now to my gravamen: tech jobs are going to india today, but not for good. You ever try to rectify your amex bill? their support is in india & it's hell trying to speak with those folks. Furthermore, there is more emphasis on security clearances, which are harder to come by if you're not a citizen (goes for subs, too). Add to that the US slashdotters who make well known their disdain for this penumbra, and i think we'll see a correction in the next couple of years. Unless of course, india starts exporting more of their films, thus lulling us with their non-glottal accent.

The only way the jobs are going to return from India and other places is if it becomes cheaper to do so. There have been problems with the foreign customer support type roles but companies look at it this way, they save more money than losses they take with bad service. To add to that the foreign workers are gaining experience with US companies and are getting better at it. Only a very small percentage of jobs require security clearance. My company works with the government including high security nuclear facilities, never have we been asked for security clearance.

 

[fluff]

Originally posted by $tinkle

ok, now to my gravamen: tech jobs are going to india today, but not for good. You ever try to rectify your amex bill? their support is in india & it's hell trying to speak with those folks. Furthermore, there is more emphasis on security clearances, which are harder to come by if you're not a citizen (goes for subs, too). Add to that the US slashdotters who make well known their disdain for this penumbra, and i think we'll see a correction in the next couple of years. Unless of course, india starts exporting more of their films, thus lulling us with their non-glottal accent.

The hard bit is moving the jobs, not keeping them somewhere. Bringing them back will be harder than sending them out.

The same stuff is happening in the UK.

I know no one who likes the idea or likes ACDs but they make the balance sheet look better and that's what drives companies. And companies are who our countries are being run for.

 

[LordOpie]

I was wondering when this topic was gonna hit here

House Speaker Dennis Hastert (search) said that Gregory Mankiw (search), chairman of the president's Council of Economic Advisers (search) and the primary author of the report, is way off-base when he describes outsourcing U.S. jobs as "just a new way of doing international trade."

That Hastert fellow better back down! Mankiw was a hero, of sorts, to me when I was getting my Econ BA. Heck, I loved Macro so much that I took a master's level course during my BA and he wrote the the book! The guy's awesome.

But I digress.

Originally posted by DRB
I am really beginning to question whether he wants to be President anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,111287,00.html

Highlighting the benefits of sending US jobs overseas? The truth in this matter is NOT what I am talking about, I'm talking about the political intelligence of making such a statement.

I'm in total agreeance with ya on both not discussing the economics, that the politics of even hinting at it is moronic, and that Bush is sabotaging himself a lot.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by $tinkle

ok, now to my gravamen: tech jobs are going to india today, but not for good. You ever try to rectify your amex bill? their support is in india & it's hell trying to speak with those folks.

Not sure Amex is a good example. I've had terrific customer service experiences with them and everyone at Amex that I have spoken with speaks perfect English.

Just wanted to offer up my .03264 cents on that.

 

[I Are Baboon]

Originally posted by stoney98
what color's your card? I work for Amex as a financial advisor. LEt me tell you, it's pretty fucHing hard trying to get client issues resolved when you can't even understand what the person talking to you is saying.

In my office, we are busting our asses so we can stay platinum so we never have to deak with india again.

No kidding?? My card is one of those Delta Skymiles cards that is blue on the top half, clear on the bottom half. I love my Amex card!

 

[Westy]

There was an email going around work a few years back that relates to this.

Back when Jack Welsh was still heading GE he was giving a speach to a group of Boeing engineers. He was talking about his 3 step globalization plan.
Step1: Sell products overseas.
Step2: Manufacture Products overseas
Step3: Design Products overseas.

Jack described how they were just starting step 3 to the engineers and how much cheaper foreign engineers and PHd's were and that the future of product design was going to come from overseas.

Later in a Q&A session one of the Boeing engineers asked Jack when they were going to start Step4, getting a cheaper foreign CEO.

I have no idea if that is true, but funny anyway.

 

[Tenchiro]

Dell recently pulled back alot of their support from India, because people were having a hard time communicating.

But somehow I doubt that they are paying American workers the same rates they were before the move. The company I used to wrk for did alot of Dell's outsourcing, and even then people weren't paid very well and expected to do alot of work on their own time because people at Dell were cheap asses.

 

[LordOpie]

So Bush is ok with Americans losing their jobs?

We'll see if he still agrees come November :devil:

 

[Silver]

The problem is, no one in the political arena is going to deal with this problem.

Capital has gotten very very mobile over the last 30 years. Labor is not mobile at all, even inside a lot of countries. It's definitely not mobile across countries.

So for all the talk of "free markets" what we actually have is a free capital market and a very very highly regulated labor market. You're the head of a multinational corporation, and you realize that you can save some cash by sending plants and jobs to China where standards are low? Why wouldn't you do that? That's the way the system works, right?

It's a race to the bottom, and it's going to have a shocking effect on the American economy. Who the hell can afford to buy a $30,000 car (the average sticker price nowadays) when you're lucky to be pulling down $30K at a service sector job? Same thing with houses, stocks, goods as a whole.

One other theory, I don't have any numbers to support this, and I'm looking, so for now it's just a hunch: Health care costs. Every other first world country has some form of control on their health costs, be is socialized or single payer. In the US, health benefits are a huge part of any job for most people, but they are also a huge cost for the company. It would be interesting to see how that affects workforce decisions.

 

[biggins]

Originally posted by LordOpie
So Bush is ok with Americans losing their jobs?

We'll see if he still agrees come November :devil:

yes he will cause come november he will lose his job.