[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by LordOpie
nope, absolute truth, BUT the inspections were working.

Seems like I remember the inspection teams getting pushed around and held up from making their rounds....

Does that sound like everything was on the up and up? Inpectors couldn't inspect.....that is not something a country's leader should allow to happen when he was left in power under conditions that he cooperate with the UN and the inspections.....

AFTER HE INVADED KUWAIT (less we forget ) along with everything else he is known to have done. I am sure I don't have to start listing the bad things over agian.....

His lack of cooperation with the UN and the resloutions that allowed him to stay in control of Iraq put the act of enforcing the resolutions on Iraq and Saddam in the lap of teh UN. The UN danced with Saddam for over a decade....they did not act.

BUT the ispections were working....

 

[LordOpie]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
Seems like I remember the inspection teams getting pushed around and held up from making their rounds....

Does that sound like everything was on the up and up? Inpectors couldn't inspect.....that is not something a country's leader should allow to happen when he was left in power under conditions that he cooperate with the UN and the inspections.....

AFTER HE INVADED KUWAIT (less we forget ) along with everything else he is known to have done. I am sure I don't have to start listing the bad things over agian.....

His lack of cooperation with the UN and the resloutions that allowed him to stay in control of Iraq put the act of enforcing the resolutions on Iraq and Saddam in the lap of teh UN. The UN danced with Saddam for over a decade....they did not act.

BUT the ispections were working....

I wouldn't say the inspections were perfect, without frustration or even 100% effective, just that they kept Saddam in check. As for him fvcking with the UN, that made him the UN's problem not ours (USA); however, I still agreed with the invasion. I also think we need to kick the UN in the testicles and tell 'em to do their job or walk.

 

[Lexx D]

Did you guys know myles rockwell got arrested for growing pot?







Sorry had to do it.

 

[zod]

man, we find WMD's and all the Bush haters start getting nervous

I do agree though that they need to find a motherload to sway public opinion....

 

[N8 v2.0]

Originally posted by the law
Yes!

Well, let President Clinton know that then... cuz he's the one that spoketh the quoteth...

 

[ummbikes]

Originally posted by N8
Well, let President Clinton know that then... cuz he's the one that spoketh the quoteth...

Yawn.

Everyone knows Clinton was a lier. Anymore random thoughts N8?

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by the law
Are you saying what happened wasn't torture?

"torture" would grab a broader viewership than "abuse", so perhaps the Associated Press would agree with me that this story is about aggressive interrogations that bleed into abuse. As i've stated in other threads, my threshold for torture is perhaps more liberal than most.

I don't see naked pig piles, making men masturbate, donning a dog-collar, being made to think you may be shot to find out where more pockets of killers of our troops are, scaring the piss out of inmates w/ german shepherds, sleep deprivation, loud noises, insults, and generally providing a less than accomodating environment to our guests torture.

i do classify electrocution, dismemberment, rape, acid baths, amputation, infestation with disease, exposure to nerve agents, and performing medical experiments as torture.

 

[golgiaparatus]

Originally posted by RhinofromWA
Seems like I remember the inspection teams getting pushed around and held up from making their rounds....

Does that sound like everything was on the up and up? Inpectors couldn't inspect.....that is not something a country's leader should allow to happen when he was left in power under conditions that he cooperate with the UN and the inspections.....

I have to agree with you for once Mr. Rhino. IMHO Saddam put himself in a position where it looked like he was hiding banned weapons and action was neccesarry because truth is, saddam looked guilty as hell. (no different than a drug dealer with a history of having drugs in his car refusing to be searched). There's no doubt about that, and I think the UN was dealing with it in a very weak manner, they should have enforced the treaty and gone in with forced inspections despite Saddam's rebelious attitude.

I think some US action was necessarry because the UN had dropped the ball. But I think the US action was overkill.

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by $tinkle

I don't see naked pig piles, making men masturbate, donning a dog-collar, being

Wow...so you'd be cool with male guards in a women's prison doing that to the inmates? Leading around with dog collars, making them masturbate for the amusement of the guards, even naked pig piles?

You're right, it wasn't torture. It was sexual abuse.

 

[the law]

Originally posted by N8
Well, let President Clinton know that then... cuz he's the one that spoketh the quoteth...

well try putting it in context. Besides, there were WMD during Clinton's times.

 

[N8 v2.0]

Originally posted by the law
well try putting it in context. Besides, there were WMD during Clinton's times.

Yeeeah... and now they are all in Syria.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Silver
Wow...so you'd be cool with male guards in a women's prison doing that to the inmates? Leading around with dog collars, making them masturbate for the amusement of the guards, even naked pig piles?

i'm not just cool with it, i'd pay a nickel to watch!

however, the idea of making someone masturbate is just weird. You know the saying about leading a horse to water & all.

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by $tinkle
i'm not just cool with it, i'd pay a nickel to watch!

however, the idea of making someone masturbate is just weird. You know the saying about leading a horse to water & all.

You could always skip that part and sodomize them with a foreign object instead...

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Silver
You could always skip that part and sodomize them with a foreign object instead...

typical man - skipping foreplay

 

[Silver]

I didn't see any bottles of Astroglide in the photos from Iraq...

 

[Toshi]

However, a senior coalition source has told the BBC the round does not signal the discovery of weapons of mass destruction or the escalation of insurgent activity.

He said the round dated back to the Iran-Iraq war and coalition officials were not sure whether the fighters even knew what it contained.

from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3722255.stm

what is the govt's official definition of wmds anyway? i think gwb was thinking "nucular weapons"...

 

[Silver]

Originally posted by Toshi
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3722255.stm

what is the govt's official definition of wmds anyway? i think gwb was thinking "nucular weapons"...

At this point they'd settle for a bottle of Botox that Saddam was using...

 

[N8 v2.0]

Saddam fears Iraqi torture
Philip Sherwell in Baghdad, May 17, 2004

CIA interrogators have seized on an admission by Saddam Hussein that he fears torture at the hands of his Iraqi enemies, and are threatening him with a quick handover to the new government in a renewed effort to break his silence.

They are also trying to exploit a new-found obsession of the former dictator with hygiene and careful food preparation to persuade him to begin giving information after five frustrating months of questioning.

Lengthy daily interrogation sessions have been structured around an apparent attempt to prepare Saddam to be handed over to the interim government that takes power after June 30.

The 67-year-old, who admitted that he feared torture soon after he was arrested last December, has been told his transfer will be delayed if he begins to co-operate with his interrogators.

Saddam is due to face trial at a war crimes tribunal in Baghdad after the transfer of sovereignty. Saddam has been held in solitary confinement since his capture.

He has good reason to fear that his Iraqi opponents might seek revenge for his brutal 24-year reign.

Many survivors of his prisons, and relatives of those who were killed by his regime, now hold positions in the interim governing council and a new Iraqi government is certain to introduce the death penalty for war crimes.

Saddam is said to be depressed and prone to angry outbursts during which he insists he is still the Iraqi president.

US officials are insistent that he has not been treated roughly. Washington is determined that he should not be able to claim he has been the victim of any abuse when he faces trial.

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Toshi
from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3722255.stm

what is the govt's official definition of wmds anyway? i think gwb was thinking "nucular weapons"...

cia's factbook: delves into nukes, bio, cealis, chem, delivery systems. The usual fare.

 

[RhinofromWA]

Originally posted by golgiaparatus
I think some US action was necessarry because the UN had dropped the ball. But I think the US action was overkill.

I am not in total dissagreeance...... is that a word like irregardless?

 

[$tinkle]

Originally posted by Silver
You could always skip that part and sodomize them with a foreign object instead...

looks like we can now add dirty sanchez to the list of offenses:

"...said they had been forced to insert a finger into their anus and then lick it, and were forced to put shoes in their mouths, particularly humiliating in Arab culture."

holy crap! i just read the rest of the link - look who's in charge:

"Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez"