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Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,238
382
Bay Area, California
Man, what an answer to my question. All you do is spew Fox/GOP talking points without directly providing an accurate response.

Answer this question, and be FUCKING DIRECT ! Are you okay with a President who openly commits acts of human rights violations by putting children in cages as long as the economy is doing well ?

And don't deny that it has happened and continues to occur.
You mean the cages Obama had made? I'm against illegal immigration, if you want to come into this country do it legally! Quite a few of these children are used as pawns just to get into the US, kind of like "rent a kid" and are not even with their birth parents to begin with and come from child traffickers. So what do you do with these kids? Do you keep them locked up with more strangers they came over with away from their family possible being raped by others? Or do you keep them separate with other kids, which is probably safer for them? So your take is let everyone come in without being properly vetted? Do you just turn everyone around and sent them back where they came from and tell them they need to follow proper procedures to live in this country? You want free everything, where does this extra money come from to support these immigrants? I guess one solution is, everyone who supports illegal immigration, can sponsor a family, house, clothe, feed, educate them all on their own dime until they can financially support themselves without government assistance until they're legal. I guess that would work, but not sure we'd get a lot of takers. FYI, my father in law & family came here from Mexico legally, didn't try sneaking over the boarder. He thinks they need to wait in line like he did and do it the correct way!
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,238
382
Bay Area, California
During the most prosperous time in our countries history, the top tax rate was over 80%, and mortgages were 10-13%.
That’s when we were building highways and dams, airports and hospitals, schools, and later sent people to the moon.
What is different now?
And interest rates like for a 5 year CD would pay almost 12% interest to you. Now mortgage rates are like free money 3.5-4% for a 30 fixed. Banks pay shit on interest, you make more money keeping it under your pillow.
 

AngryMetalsmith

Business is good, thanks for asking
Jun 4, 2006
22,105
12,852
I have no idea where I am
You mean the cages Obama had made? I'm against illegal immigration, if you want to come into this country do it legally! Quite a few of these children are used as pawns just to get into the US, kind of like "rent a kid" and are not even with their birth parents to begin with and come from child traffickers. So what do you do with these kids? Do you keep them locked up with more strangers they came over with away from their family possible being raped by others? Or do you keep them separate with other kids, which is probably safer for them? So your take is let everyone come in without being properly vetted? Do you just turn everyone around and sent them back where they came from and tell them they need to follow proper procedures to live in this country? You want free everything, where does this extra money come from to support these immigrants? I guess one solution is, everyone who supports illegal immigration, can sponsor a family, house, clothe, feed, educate them all on their own dime until they can financially support themselves without government assistance until they're legal. I guess that would work, but not sure we'd get a lot of takers. FYI, my father in law & family came here from Mexico legally, didn't try sneaking over the boarder. He thinks they need to wait in line like he did and do it the correct way!
Once again you did not directly answer the question. Instead you use an honest inquiry as a prompt to spew more talking points. I wasn't trying to discuss immigration with you. I asked if you were okay with children being kept in cages as long as the economy was good. Not what are your views on border security. Seriously, this is just another example of what others on here have said. You have absolutely zero interest in discussing anything with us on here. Either you are incapable of "listening" or are being purposely obtuse.

It is an obvious waste of time making any attempt at a rational discussion with you.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
41,178
10,113
Yes, but they weren't separated from their families, because, you know, doing that is a violation of the Geneva Convention, nor was anyone supposed to be held there more than 72 hours. As opposed to indefinitely and without any sort of health care provisions or legal representation.
a kid in a cage is a fucking kid in a cage.
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,238
382
Bay Area, California
Serious question,

Why do you think we should have health care at all?, why not make people responsible for their own health?
I'd like to keep my Dr. and have the right to choose which Dr. I want to use. Not have the government dictate who and when I can see one. I'm not against better and more affordable healthcare, problem is where does this money come from? Especially if all these big business's Waren want to tax leaves the country? Money has to come from somewhere. Here in California we're like at a 13% tax rate, the highest in the country. I guess if everyone paid the same 13% and it could make "free healthcare" work for everyone, I'm in!
 

Brian HCM#1

Don’t feed the troll
Sep 7, 2001
32,238
382
Bay Area, California
Once again you did not directly answer the question. Instead you use an honest inquiry as a prompt to spew more talking points. I wasn't trying to discuss immigration with you. I asked if you were okay with children being kept in cages as long as the economy was good. Not what are your views on border security. Seriously, this is just another example of what others on here have said. You have absolutely zero interest in discussing anything with us on here. Either you are incapable of "listening" or are being purposely obtuse.

It is an obvious waste of time making any attempt at a rational discussion with you.
Economy good or bad, I don't think children should be locked up in cages. However, they need to be kept safe somehow until the government figures out what to do with their parents.
 

rideit

Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
24,758
12,525
In the cleavage of the Tetons
I'd like to keep my Dr. and have the right to choose which Dr. I want to use. Not have the government dictate who and when I can see one. I'm not against better and more affordable healthcare, problem is where does this money come from? Especially if all these big business's Waren want to tax leaves the country? Money has to come from somewhere. Here in California we're like at a 13% tax rate, the highest in the country. I guess if everyone paid the same 13% and it could make "free healthcare" work for everyone, I'm in!
Countries with universal health care usually also have private insurance options, where yes, you choose your doctor. Why wouldn’t you support uhc, and just get a supplemental policy?
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
41,178
10,113
The following is a list of the country’s largest publicly-held profitable corporations that paid no federal income taxes in 2018 on billions in U.S. income, according to ITEP analysis of 560 companies. ITEP reports U.S. income before federal taxes, and takes into consideration paid state and local taxes, which could reduce or increase U.S. income. The report does not look at total tax provision, a number that could include foreign taxes and deferred taxes. All figures, except for tax rate, are in millions.

CompanyU.S. IncomeFederal TaxEffective Tax Rate
Amazon.com$10,835–129–1%
Delta Air Lines$5,073–187–4%
Chevron$4,547–181–4%
General Motors$4,320–104–2%
EOG Resources$4,067–304–7%
Occidental Petroleum$3,379–23–1%
Honeywell International$2,830–21–1%
Deere$2,152–268–12%
American Electric Power$1,943–32–2%
Principal Financial$1,641–49–3%
FirstEnergy$1,495–16–1%
Prudential Financial$1,440–346–24%
Xcel Energy$1,434–34–2%
Devon Energy$1,297–14–1%
DTE Energy$1,215–17–1%
Halliburton$1,082–19–2%
Netflix$856–22–3%
Whirlpool$717–70–10%
Eli Lilly$598–54–9%
IBM$500–342–68%
Goodyear Tire & Rubber$440–15–3%
Penske Automotive Group$393–16–4%
Aramark$315–48–15%
AECOM Technology$238–122–51%
Tech Data$203–10–5%
Performance Food Group$192–9–4%
Arrow Electronics$167–12–7%
Source: Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy
i think i will cut the amazon cord in the new year....
 

mykel

closer to Periwinkle
Apr 19, 2013
5,499
4,221
sw ontario canada
I have been a recipient of socialized medicine my whole life.
Guess what?

I have NEVER been denied my choice of doctor. Nobody has told me where to go.
Yes I have been referred to specialists, but guess what? I am under no obligation to use them, I have asked for an alternate referral in the past and it was granted without even a spock eyebrow.
 

stevew

resident influencer
Sep 21, 2001
41,178
10,113
Good.

It's really not that hard to support local and smaller business. I try to whenever possible. I don't care if I spend $2 more on something I need if it's going to pay for the person standing at the register. I really don't.
i will just have to find an alternative to audible....
 

rideit

Bob the Builder
Aug 24, 2004
24,758
12,525
In the cleavage of the Tetons
I have been a recipient of socialized medicine my whole life.
Guess what?

I have NEVER been denied my choice of doctor. Nobody has told me where to go.
Yes I have been referred to specialists, but guess what? I am under no obligation to use them, I have asked for an alternate referral in the past and it was granted without even a spock eyebrow.
Brian gorges at the Fox trough...there are no facts in that slop.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,205
10,730
AK
I'd like to keep my Dr. and have the right to choose which Dr. I want to use. Not have the government dictate who and when I can see one. I'm not against better and more affordable healthcare, problem is where does this money come from? Especially if all these big business's Waren want to tax leaves the country? Money has to come from somewhere. Here in California we're like at a 13% tax rate, the highest in the country. I guess if everyone paid the same 13% and it could make "free healthcare" work for everyone, I'm in!
I’m not talking about universal health care, just insurance and healthcare in general.

The entire premise of insurance is you can’t pay $1 million for a liver transplant or chemo.

And why can’t you, is it because you are lazy?

And you realize, even with 13% taxes, you'd make more money if you just worked harder, right?
 
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Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
41,903
19,232
Riding the baggage carousel.
I have been a recipient of socialized medicine my whole life.
Guess what?

I have NEVER been denied my choice of doctor. Nobody has told me where to go.
Yes I have been referred to specialists, but guess what? I am under no obligation to use them, I have asked for an alternate referral in the past and it was granted without even a spock eyebrow.
Commie.

I’m not talking about universal health care, just insurance and healthcare in general.

The entire premise of insurance is you can’t pay $1 million for a liver transplant or chemo.

And why can’t you, is it because you are lazy?
When I got hit, my bill the day I checked out of Penrose was just under 740000 dollars. Over the course of that year my total medical expenses exceeded a million dollars.

But I suppose I'm white enough to deserve proper medical care. A brown or poor person obviously wouldn't deserve the sort of care I received because they had the misfortune of not being born in the right arbritrarly drawn section of the globe or being born into a disadvantaged family.
 
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stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
22,005
7,895
Colorado
I've said before Trump says a lot of stupid stuff & can have diarrhea of the mouth. That being said, he's actually doing what he campaigned on. The left finally signed USMCA agreement, again what Trump campaigned on in which the left was originally against. Over 266K jobs added in November, Dow Jones up +9000 in less than 3 years, middle class income up almost $5K a year. I realize you have a deep hatred for Trump mainly because of who he is not for his results he's done for this country in a such a short period of time. Just think, if the left wasn't so infatuated with impeaching him, just imagine what could have been accomplished to benefit all US citizens in such a short period of time. Look at the bright side, he'll be out within the next 1-5 years. Then maybe you'll get your Socialist president who will give free stuff to all the good little lazy boys & girls. Sorry my bad, forgot to use pronouns, lazy little they & them's.
Our internal numbers project US stock px would be 10% less without the stock buyback that was made possible by the tax law change in 2018.

US corporate revenues are up ~15% since 2017. S&P500 is up ~36%. Stock px is up over double corporate revenues. Unemployment has gone from 4.1-3.5

During Obama's era, corporate revenues were up 23%. ~S&P500 was up ~163%. Stock px was up over five times Corp revenues (see growth in market). Unemployment went from just under 10% to just under over 4%.

Under Obama, corporations were making more money, more people got back to work, and we had better performance in the market after the worst market losses since the Great Depression. Remind me again how Trump riding that wave makes him better?
 

Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
24,939
16,553
where the trails are
Our internal numbers project US stock px would be 10% less without the stock buyback that was made possible by the tax law change in 2018.

US corporate revenues are up ~15% since 2017. S&P500 is up ~36%. Stock px is up over double corporate revenues. Unemployment has gone from 4.1-3.5

During Obama's era, corporate revenues were up 23%. ~S&P500 was up ~163%. Stock px was up over five times Corp revenues (see growth in market). Unemployment went from just under 10% to just under over 4%.

Under Obama, corporations were making more money, more people got back to work, and we had better performance in the market after the worst market losses since the Great Depression. Remind me again how Trump riding that wave makes him better?
To play devil's advocate, that's 8 years vs 3 years total.
 

Kevin

Turbo Monkey
I've said before Trump says a lot of stupid stuff & can have diarrhea of the mouth. That being said, he's actually doing what he campaigned on. The left finally signed USMCA agreement, again what Trump campaigned on in which the left was originally against. Over 266K jobs added in November, Dow Jones up +9000 in less than 3 years, middle class income up almost $5K a year. I realize you have a deep hatred for Trump mainly because of who he is not for his results he's done for this country in a such a short period of time. Just think, if the left wasn't so infatuated with impeaching him, just imagine what could have been accomplished to benefit all US citizens in such a short period of time. Look at the bright side, he'll be out within the next 1-5 years. Then maybe you'll get your Socialist president who will give free stuff to all the good little lazy boys & girls. Sorry my bad, forgot to use pronouns, lazy little they & them's.
Lol somebody get this parrot a cracker
 
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stoney

Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde
Jul 26, 2006
22,005
7,895
Colorado
To play devil's advocate, that's 8 years vs 3 years total.
Our internal numbers project US stock px would be 10% less without the stock buyback that was made possible by the tax law change in 2018.

US corporate revenues are up ~15% since 2017 (5% per annum). S&P500 is up ~36% (12% per annum) Stock px is up over double corporate revenues. Unemployment has gone from 4.1-3.5 (.2% per annum)


During Obama's era, corporate revenues were up 23% (~4% per annum). ~S&P500 was up ~163%. (~20.3% per annum) Stock px was up over five times Corp revenues (see growth in market). Unemployment went from just under 10% to just under over 4%. (.75% per annum)


Under Obama, corporations were making more money, more people got back to work, and we had better performance in the market after the worst market losses since the Great Depression. Remind me again how Trump riding that wave makes him better?
See red above. Point stands and that's not factoring the reality that stock px is 10% higher because of stock buyback.
 

SkaredShtles

Michael Bolton
Sep 21, 2003
67,936
14,218
In a van.... down by the river
Build your own roads and treat your own water while you’re at it.
Why not for-profit, competitive police and fire services as well? Then, when your house is on fire, you could call around and find the best deal on fire suppression services. Because I'm pretty sure that private firefighting would be able to cull a lot of waste and provide a better, cheaper service.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
20,205
10,730
AK
I’m not talking about universal health care, just insurance and healthcare in general.

The entire premise of insurance is you can’t pay $1 million for a liver transplant or chemo.

And why can’t you, is it because you are lazy?

And you realize, even with 13% taxes, you'd make more money if you just worked harder, right?

When chemo or a liver transplant costs a cool million, well that's just too much money for Brian to pay, so then insurance is "ok". But when it's poor people who can't afford things, it's "their own damn fault" and "they just need to work harder". Somehow, there is a threshold where "get a better job" and "just work harder" only applies to people other than you. I don't know of any liberals who don't want to see people working, but the premise of "just work harder" or "get another job" is just as flawed applying to poor people as it is monacle-members who can't afford healthcare and college outright.

That said, I am strongly considering Hopes right now.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
56,056
22,085
Sleazattle
I normally wouldn't support people piling on someone like this, but Brian tried to convince people to buy Hope brakes, that can neither be forgiven nor forgotten.