Yeah the immigrants are just participating in the programs available to them. Freeloading should be reserved for the physically and mentally disabled.Given that there's too many people on this planet, breeding shouldn't be encouraged with subsidies and tax benefits.
Those are two separate issues. It is morally bankrupt to separate children from their family and hold them in cages.I have zero problems with that. If they can come here and be self sufficient, by all means! However not using tax payers dollars, collecting welfare, medical etc. I guess that would require people to step up and sponsor a family as many come here with nothing. I wonder how many would actually do that?
Given that there's too many people on this planet, breeding shouldn't be encouraged with subsidies and tax benefits.
From what I understand, many of these children weren't even traveling with their biological parents. They are being used as pawns by the cartels to get the adults in the country as they've been told US immigration will allow them in if they're caught crossing illegally with children. At that point, do you keep them with the adults (possible strangers) they came here with, or separate them for their protection?Those are two separate issues. It is morally bankrupt to separate children from their family and hold them in cages.
Patrolling the border and expelling illegal migrants is a separate issue from what you do with the detainees once they are in your custody. The administration has stated that the policy of separating children from their families is meant as a deterrent.
I find that repugnant. In my opinion, anyone who does not acknowledge that this practice is repugnant is either being disingenuous, or in the grips of moral decay.
I'm writing this in absolutes because I think that this is an either/or argument. Usually I'm willing to concede there are various legitimate points of view on an issue, and shades of grey, but in the issue of separating children from their families, I don't. It's wrong, full stop.
Please provide us some evidence for this assertion? Where are you getting this "understanding"?From what I understand, many of these children weren't even traveling with their biological parents. They are being used as pawns by the cartels to get the adults in the country
Please provide us some evidence for this assertion? Where are you getting this "understanding"?
hmmmmmm it's almost like i've heard this elsewhere before, about economic impact and revenue losses due to lack of migrant workers.....Another thought about the "burden" of illegal immigrants. A quick Google search put the Washington State apple crop at a value of 2.5 billion dollars. Without illegal immigrants there is no apple crop. No cherries, no pears, no vegetables, no chicken, no beef.
Im not disagreeing with you.Well I suppose I am speaking for what is common around here in the agriculture community. Our farm hires H2A seasonal farm workers, Mexican nationals who come up for 6 months a year. They don't pay taxes on their paychecks. But they are here legally.
Another thought about the "burden" of illegal immigrants. A quick Google search put the Washington State apple crop at a value of 2.5 billion dollars. Without illegal immigrants there is no apple crop. No cherries, no pears, no vegetables, no chicken, no beef.
Illegal immigrants make this nation what it is today. The cost and availability of food in every corner of this nation is directly tied to the presence of illegal immigrants. So when we look at all the agriculture, construction, landscaping, and everything else, they are contributing major dollars to their employers and the economy in general.
That said I am seeing a growing demographic of people who are finding that if they stop working and start making babies they can live off federal assistance.
Nothings for free! Living off the government has it's own consequences that may not be apparent immediately.
the National Review?
can you find any reporting other than far right, uber conservative sources?
Related...hmmmmmm it's almost like i've heard this elsewhere before, about economic impact and revenue losses due to lack of migrant workers.....
What's your position on this? Good/Bad/Indifferent?Related...
Blueberry season is half over. Feds say growers must pay pickers 50% more
“I care a lot about the person whose hand last touched the fruit. Customers need to care about what’s happening in the field.”amp.tri-cityherald.com
From August but interesting in that the Fed is using their labor visa program to leverage growers rates of pay. The thing is the rates the Fed sets applies to everyone, H2A or local. Access to sufficient labor is one of, if not the biggest limiting factor farms in our region face. That is our until export markets tanked in the last 24 months. Now we have bigger problems than labor...
In the article, Zirkle was paying on average over $17 an hour to their H2A when the piece rate was set at 50 cents per pound. They have over 2000 H2A employees. The mid season rate hike would have changed the effective hourly rate from 17 to 25.50! An extra 7.5 dollars an hour for a farm like Zirkle is just an extra million dollars a week for payroll. Like they said, they would have no choice but to move to machine harvesters.What's your position on this? Good/Bad/Indifferent?
If it effects all growers I guess they could maintain the hand picking but at a higher market price.In the article, Zirkle was paying on average over $17 an hour to their H2A when the piece rate was set at 50 cents per pound. They have over 2000 H2A employees. The mid season rate hike would have changed the effective hourly rate from 17 to 25.50! An extra 7.5 dollars an hour for a farm like Zirkle is just an extra million dollars a week for payroll. Like they said, they would have no choice but to move to machine harvesters.
I regard that as crap. I understand the discussion regarding the dynamics of smaller enterprises trying to stay alive, but a blueberry farm ain't Exxon or Wells Fargo, both of which should be thoughtfully disassembled....The government has no business implementing this shit, they just want more taxes from the higher wage.
I was only talking about the farm.I regard that as crap. I understand the discussion regarding the dynamics of smaller enterprises trying to stay alive, but a blueberry farm ain't Exxon or Wells Fargo, both of which should be thoughtfully disassembled.
Yeah, I'd really like to meet up sometime and have a face-to-face conversation.I was only talking about the farm.
Massive corporations hold no special place in my heart, btw
Absolutely. We’re what, 3 hours apart?Yeah, I'd really like to meet up sometime and have a face-to-face conversation.
Just start taxing Amazon/etc, and all the rest of our taxes could go down.I regard that as crap. I understand the discussion regarding the dynamics of smaller enterprises trying to stay alive, but a blueberry farm ain't Exxon or Wells Fargo, both of which should be thoughtfully disassembled.
Something like that... maybe set up to ride someplace this upcoming summer.Absolutely. We’re what, 3 hours apart?
You're clueless in the real world aren't you. Corporations are given a tax break so they'll conduct business in that area/state. At that point the employees pay the taxes increasing the tax revenue. I guess a corporation can leave the country, conduct business elsewhere leaving more people without a job. New York lost a shitload of money losing that Amazon deal. Sure Amazon pays zero to very little, but look at the revenue it would have brought in with 25K people making over $125K a year, buying homes, goods etc, more restaurants opening as well as retailers. You can only tax so much before companies/people leave. It's easy to conduct business overseas nowadays, then what happens? Thats right, the AOC approach...... print more money & free shit for everyone!Funny how brian all of a sudden cares so much about these poor people, (who risk life and limb looking for a better future for their kids) not paying their taxes.
If only he cared as much about corporations not paying their taxes or the president of the United States...
Amazon is now coming to manhattan, with no tax breaks, and similar wages. They caved.You're clueless in the real world aren't you. Corporations are given a tax break so they'll conduct business in that area/state. At that point the employees pay the taxes increasing the tax revenue. I guess a corporation can leave the country, conduct business elsewhere leaving more people without a job. New York lost a shitload of money losing that Amazon deal. Sure Amazon pays zero to very little, but look at the revenue it would have brought in with 25K people making over $125K a year, buying homes, goods etc, more restaurants opening as well as retailers. You can only tax so much before companies/people leave. It's easy to conduct business overseas nowadays, then what happens? Thats right, the AOC approach...... print more money & free shit for everyone!
As far as Trump goes, he probably pays more in taxes in one year than you'll pay in your entire lifetime. I'm sure he manipulates and squeezes every deduction and takes every tax loophole possible. Is it illegal? Nope. You kinda fit the mold with the meme I posted above a few days ago, don't cha?
I gotta say, though... it's an impressive number of chickens to fuck.
There really is no disproven trope whose water you won't carry.
Every apple block pays a different rate per bin depending on how easy or hard it is to get in the bin. Some bins are $30-40. There are guys doing 6-8 bins a day. I don't care who you are, that is pretty damn good money for field work.$17 doesn’t sound unreasonable. Attractive even for manual unskilled labor. The government has no business implementing this shit, they just want more taxes from the higher wage.
Are they? I did not know that.Amazon is now coming to manhattan, with no tax breaks, and similar wages. They caved.
So it's not enough for a business to make money? Their business model sucks so bad that they can't "make it" without being subsidized by the local/state/whatever government? To me, that sounds contrary to capitalism, where the strong survive and those that have sucky business models fail.You're clueless in the real world aren't you. Corporations are given a tax break so they'll conduct business in that area/state.
You're clueless in the real world aren't you. Corporations are given a tax break so they'll conduct business in that area/state. At that point the employees pay the taxes increasing the tax revenue. I guess a corporation can leave the country, conduct business elsewhere leaving more people without a job. New York lost a shitload of money losing that Amazon deal. Sure Amazon pays zero to very little, but look at the revenue it would have brought in with 25K people making over $125K a year, buying homes, goods etc, more restaurants opening as well as retailers. You can only tax so much before companies/people leave. It's easy to conduct business overseas nowadays, then what happens? Thats right, the AOC approach...... print more money & free shit for everyone!
As far as Trump goes, he probably pays more in taxes in one year than you'll pay in your entire lifetime. I'm sure he manipulates and squeezes every deduction and takes every tax loophole possible. Is it illegal? Nope. You kinda fit the mold with the meme I posted above a few days ago, don't cha?
My retirement account is worth more than Donnie and there will never be any proof to the contrary.
Do you feel US has blood on its hands in regards to airliner being shot down?so lets review...
assassination of Iranian bad dude by USA
retaliation by Iran results in the now probable accidental shooting down of aircraft killing 176 people
seems like us proving the justification for this whole thing starting would be more crucial to Ukraine and Canada like, really soon.