Donald Trump’s Presidency 2017 - 2021 AND 2025-202X
Nah - just quit allowing all the coke and brown people from coming into our great nation. Easy...
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Imagine the reaction of users in the US if someone stopped the flow of all imported drugs.
Fortunately the powers that be just want to clean up the coke supply.
Fortunately the powers that be just want to clean up the coke supply.
It's apparent you've never run a business. You use leverage if necessary to achieve what you want.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/26/trudeau-canada-trump-tariff
So, its just a bluff?
Am not clear. There will or will not be tariffs?
Did he lie when offered them? Or he will sign them and raise prices?
Ok brainchild what is your suggestion to stop the flow of illegals? That's right, you can give a shit what kind of burden it puts on the tax payers, sex trafficking, illegal drug flow etc.. Why don't you man up and take a whole migrant family in and support them 100% until they reach legal status? Oh that's right, you'd never do that because you're all talk. It's the, not happening in my backyard so who gives a shit mentality. Way to go tiger!
There will be if Canada & Mexico don't hold them in their country. Just wondering, can anyone just walk into your country illegally and get free housing, food, medical, cell phone, money etc? We have a homeless/drug problem here in the US and the illegals get more assistance than they do.
Do you have some details about these widespread social programs which are specifically helping illegal immigrants, but are not available to the homeless or poor people in the same areas?
I'm not aware of the "free housing, food, medical, cell phone and spending money for undocumented immigrants" program, but I am open to being educated about it.
Um…that PDF looks professional, is formatted like a research publication, uses well-educated diction/grammar and maintains a neutral-seeming tone, but it comes from an anti-immigration think-tank, which can be otherwise be described as a bunch of nazi cunts.
The main point of that article, that so-called “illegals” consume more resources than they pay into the system, hinges (primarily) on welfare receipts.
Those welfare receipts, as mentioned in the doc itself, are 1) only needed bc the monies paid to "illegals" for economically critical tasks is criminally small and 2) they are being used for the support of their US citizen children. If anyone is at fault, it is our system for needing their labor and not being willing to pay for it.
Speaking of citizens and citizenship, the only reason that the vast majority of americans are citizens is bc they are crotch-spawn of a person that happened to already have american citizenship. Nothing was done to earn that citizenship. No risk was taken. Neither time nor money nor blood were invested to gain that citizenship. It is literally a birthright.
Immigrants, on the other hand, by and large work hard, sacrifice and invest in themselves to come here to better themselves. I personally would prefer this group of people as my peers to a group of people clinging jealously to a birthright.
Think about that the next time you talk about "illegals" or immigrants. They sacrifice to come here. Why would they want to fuck the place up? The logic behind the immigrant hate is absurd.
Signed, a birthrighted-american that lives and works amongst “illegals” and has worked as an illegal elsewhere.
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The main point of that article, that so-called “illegals” consume more resources than they pay into the system, hinges (primarily) on welfare receipts.
Those welfare receipts, as mentioned in the doc itself, are 1) only needed bc the monies paid to "illegals" for economically critical tasks is criminally small and 2) they are being used for the support of their US citizen children. If anyone is at fault, it is our system for needing their labor and not being willing to pay for it.
Speaking of citizens and citizenship, the only reason that the vast majority of americans are citizens is bc they are crotch-spawn of a person that happened to already have american citizenship. Nothing was done to earn that citizenship. No risk was taken. Neither time nor money nor blood were invested to gain that citizenship. It is literally a birthright.
Immigrants, on the other hand, by and large work hard, sacrifice and invest in themselves to come here to better themselves. I personally would prefer this group of people as my peers to a group of people clinging jealously to a birthright.
Think about that the next time you talk about "illegals" or immigrants. They sacrifice to come here. Why would they want to fuck the place up? The logic behind the immigrant hate is absurd.
Signed, a birthrighted-american that lives and works amongst “illegals” and has worked as an illegal elsewhere.
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I mean, I'm definitely aware that homeless (or needy) undocumented immigrants cost taxpayer dollars, the same as homeless (or needy) citizens. It's fairly hard to provide these kinds of social services while requiring proof of residency - someone without a home is unlikely to have ready access to a birth certificate.
Whether that particular paper is accurate or not in its actual measured costs isn't exactly relevant to my question.
Brian posited that immigrants are being treated better than citizens. "Illegal immigration is putting pressure on our social support systems" is a dramatically different statement from, "illegal immigrants can get free houses, free food, free healthcare and pocket money while American citizens in similar situations cannot."
I'm asking where these apparent undocumented-immigrant-only social welfare programs are coming from. If they exist absent a broader context (e.g. trying to prevent political refugees from starving while they await court dates), that's interesting and I'd like to learn about it. If they don't exist, then that's a kinda racist thing to say.
Facts - every illegal immigrant that works a job with false papers puts in payroll taxes but never claims them. All that social security, medicare, and income tax goes into the system and never comes out.
I don't think the system can survive the loss of all those free dollars if a mass deportation happened.
I don't think the system can survive the loss of all those free dollars if a mass deportation happened.
I haven’t looked up or heard anything about this, but assuming there are immigrants inappropriately receiving benefits, why wouldn’t steps be taken to stop the flow of those benefits without the need for a full blown deportation process? If there are people out there who can quantify the cost of illegal immigrants receiving benefits then there must be some identifier being used to identify this group. Couldn’t the government leverage those identifiers to terminate benefits to specific people?
… I’d be curious to know if there is resistance for this kind of approach because the expectations are that once you cut off a benefit flow the former recipients would turn to criminal activities for income, or or if it’s some humanitarian aspect (which obviously isn’t a concern if deportation has entered the chat). I suspect the branding of deportations just messages better to certain voters and that’s why we’re here.
If you catch my grift:
thecounty.me
trump jr buys a 3900 acre forest in northern Maine shortly before his dad slaps tariffs on Canada, the largest importer of lumber.
the only thing this presidency will be about is making trump and his donors richer.
Donald Trump Jr. buys Maine hunting land from Austin Theriault’s family - The County
The $1.39 million sale involved hundreds of acres in Crystal and Island Falls, though the exact amount is unclear in records on file at the Aroostook County Registry of Deeds.
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trump jr buys a 3900 acre forest in northern Maine shortly before his dad slaps tariffs on Canada, the largest importer of lumber.
the only thing this presidency will be about is making trump and his donors richer.
If you catch my grift:
Donald Trump Jr. buys Maine hunting land from Austin Theriault’s family - The County
The $1.39 million sale involved hundreds of acres in Crystal and Island Falls, though the exact amount is unclear in records on file at the Aroostook County Registry of Deeds.
trump jr buys a 3900 acre forest in northern Maine shortly before his dad slaps tariffs on Canada, the largest importer of lumber.
the only thing this presidency will be about is making trump and his donors richer.
I thought that was fully established during his first term.
The Trumps truly are a cancer.If you catch my grift:
Donald Trump Jr. buys Maine hunting land from Austin Theriault’s family - The County
The $1.39 million sale involved hundreds of acres in Crystal and Island Falls, though the exact amount is unclear in records on file at the Aroostook County Registry of Deeds.
trump jr buys a 3900 acre forest in northern Maine shortly before his dad slaps tariffs on Canada, the largest importer of lumber.
the only thing this presidency will be about is making trump and his donors richer.
I don't really love the idea that we should deliberately allow people to starve. I mean, at some point we are either allowing someone to stay in the country or not, and if we are allowing them to stay here, basic humanitarian assistance to keep them from dying in the streets seems reasonable to me. I am okay with my tax dollars paying for that.
That said, there's not some blinking identifier anyway. Entire organizations are studying illegal immigration and a lot of the numbers come from statistical analysis, anonymous interviews, and retroactive analysis. They aren't identifying that Man #3 who stayed at Shelter #672 on January 3rd is an illegal immigrant. Homeless and needy people are not exactly well documented to start with, and when providing what amounts to crisis assistance (i.e. no food, no shelter), burdening either side with trying to suss out why someone doesn't have ID seems pretty cruel. Like, sorry buddy, I know you've been living in shelters for 3 years and everything you own fits into a small backpack, but unless you can cough up a notarized birth certificate I'm afraid you can't sleep here tonight - your suffering is just the cost of making sure we don't accidentally help one of those dirty illegals.
I'm not some open borders One Earth hippie, here. But I feel that this focus on mass deportation or stripping rights from people who are already here and trying to build a life seems more like a desire to punish than about justice or economic improvement. I'd rather see some kind of clear plan for immigration reforms which includes some clearly defined amnesty, rather than setting millions of dollars on fire by stuffing people with jobs (many of whom are, ironically, paying into social benefits that they have no path to collect on) into airplanes.
It might surprise a lot of americans that not everyone on the planet would flock to america if we opened our borders. Nor would it be possible. Think of it this way, just because you want to live in the nicest neighborhood in town, doesn't mean you can. Nationalism, borders and the associated horseshit are doomed. (Laughing at myself for fitting so many disparate and only tangentially related ideas into one post...)
This is where the brain itch comes in for me, and perhaps others. Just how different is turning off a flow of benefits for people staying here from deporting people to places where benefits might not be available? I agree that if people are allowed to stay here, providing forms of assistance is the humane thing to do. But that begs the question - who is allowed to stay, for how long, and is there a path to legal immigration? Deportation strikes me as an “out of sight out of mind” solution. Also, I realize the US can’t be home to everyone looking to leave their home country. Wherever the line is drawn the people close to that line are going to struggle to get over it. I admit that I don’t have the perspective to make any kind of fair estimate of where the line should be (in terms of ending up on the right side of history in the future). I can say that the idea of rounding lots people up for mass deportation as it is being portrayed doesn’t strike me as an appropriate attempt at a solution.
Remember that time when there was a bipartisan plan and Donald Trump convinced Republicans to kill it even though he wasn't even president at the time?
I know many in the inner city of Chicago were upset that illegal immigrants were taking their benefits away from them. Few examples:
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/chicago-resident-criticizes-city-spending-migrants#
https://www.denver7.com/news/local-news/denver-launches-ambitious-migrant-program-breaking-from-the-short-term-shelter-approach
Dude illegal immigrants put major funding into medicare and social security through tax payments and never collect a dime.
Think about it for a minute
Think about it for a minute
"You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place."
I don't have a clear answer to that, and suspect it varies a lot on each individual case, where they came from, how they got here, and what the feasibility is of their returning. But frankly, trying to break out citizens from non-citizens in most crisis aid programs is just a nonstarter, and I think it's generally a Good Thing for the richest country in the world to try and prevent people within its borders from dying in the streets, so I'm not sure it matters.
Did you read that article?
The program is targeted at legal asylum seekers to provide temporary help while they are legally prevented from earning an income. It is specifically trying to prevent people who are legally allowed to be here, but not legally allowed to work, from becoming a burden on social programs.
I literally don't know what point you're trying to make with the Fox article. You made a statement earlier that illegal immigrants were being provided with a higher standard of assistance than citizens. Neither article shows that to be the case. Nor does the Fox article even support your statement that "illegal immigrants were taking their benefits away from them."
Try again.
Along the lines of spending more money than it is worth.
When will we ever quit spending more money to "fix" a problem then just admitting it isn't worth it.
When will we ever quit spending more money to "fix" a problem then just admitting it isn't worth it.
I might. But on the other hand, I don't think it's entirely useless to consistently, firmly and clearly point out that the things someone says are happening, are not actually happening. If not for that person's sake, then maybe for those reading along.Quit engaging that moran.
And maybe Brian might learn something, like the fact that legally admitted asylum seekers are not here illegally, but are barred from trying to find employment immediately, which not everyone knows.
Smooth Brain moran.
