[boostindoubles]

"From 2000 to 2011, unauthorized immigrants contributed $2.2 to $3.8 billion more than they withdrew annually (a total surplus of $35.1 billion). Had unauthorized immigrants neither contributed to nor withdrawn from the Trust Fund during those 11 years, it would become insolvent in 2029—1 year earlier than currently predicted. If 10 % of unauthorized immigrants became authorized annually for the subsequent 7 years, Trust Fund surpluses contributed by unauthorized immigrants would total $45.7 billion."

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[Sandwich]

"From 2000 to 2011, unauthorized immigrants contributed $2.2 to $3.8 billion more than they withdrew annually (a total surplus of $35.1 billion). Had unauthorized immigrants neither contributed to nor withdrawn from the Trust Fund during those 11 years, it would become insolvent in 2029—1 year earlier than currently predicted. If 10 % of unauthorized immigrants became authorized annually for the subsequent 7 years, Trust Fund surpluses contributed by unauthorized immigrants would total $45.7 billion."

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But my eggs?

 

[boostindoubles]

But my eggs?

"The immigrants are stealing social health program money from real Americans!"

Or wait, maybe their propping up our social health programs, extending their life.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

That has the power to backfire horrendously for the US.
The world abandons the dollar and the US cannot longer print currency freely without massive inflation

 

[rideit]

Eventually, the schoolyard bully gets flattened by the geek, and his reign of terror ends.

 

[Jm_]

China is playing the long game...and playing DT for a fool.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

China is playing the long game...and playing DT for a fool.

100%. Trump is accelerating the process

 

[rideit]

‘Unstable Moron’.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Did you read that article?

The program is targeted at legal asylum seekers to provide temporary help while they are legally prevented from earning an income. It is specifically trying to prevent people who are legally allowed to be here, but not legally allowed to work, from becoming a burden on social programs.

I literally don't know what point you're trying to make with the Fox article. You made a statement earlier that illegal immigrants were being provided with a higher standard of assistance than citizens. Neither article shows that to be the case. Nor does the Fox article even support your statement that "illegal immigrants were taking their benefits away from them."

Try again.

Sorry , hectic holiday weekend. It was an interview on the news. I'm still trying to find the clip of it. Hopefully I can dig it up

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Quit engaging that moran.

I'm hoping one of these days I'll be as bright & successful as you! I'm sure it's just a pipedream but there's always hope.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

I might. But on the other hand, I don't think it's entirely useless to consistently, firmly and clearly point out that the things someone says are happening, are not actually happening. If not for that person's sake, then maybe for those reading along.

And maybe Brian might learn something, like the fact that legally admitted asylum seekers are not here illegally, but are barred from trying to find employment immediately, which not everyone knows.

Unfortunately the majority coming over here are using "asylum" as their ticket in. They all know what to say, and it's an abuse of the system and has become a huge burden on the US taxpayers.

 

[boostindoubles]

Is it an abuse of our system or is it propping the system up?

 

[mandown]

Here we go...

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www.theguardian.com

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www.foxnews.com

 

[binary visions]

Unfortunately the majority coming over here are using "asylum" as their ticket in. They all know what to say, and it's an abuse of the system and has become a huge burden on the US taxpayers.

If you support thoughtful immigration reforms, I'm in. But asylum-based immigration is something that basically every first world country has, and I think it's part of being a compassionate participant in the world around us. So waving your hands about asylum immigration being an abuse of the system isn't sufficient.

The democrats helped draft one of the strongest border reform bills in history and the republicans killed it. So... too bad, so sad.

Complaining about the taxpayer dollars going to support migrants is pointless. If a border agent has met with a person, admitted them into the country legally, ostensibly for the reason that they have fled for their life and safety (note: your opinion on the truth of this doesn't matter, because it happened within the legal framework), then you can't just say, "hey, welcome to the US, sorry you're fleeing for your life, but you can't get a job and we won't support you, so go starve in the streets." Putting together programs for them is better than over-burdening the general safety nets.

The problem starts with actual immigration reforms. Trump just started fucking with the legal system to the point where nothing worked anymore, but he wasn't in power long enough for a bunch of the court cases to play out. What he was doing wasn't fixing immigration, it was just making it harder and harder to process legal immigrants.

We have a legal obligation, and I believe a moral one, to provide legitimate asylum to refugees. We have caps on those numbers. If something needs to be fixed, it needs to be fixed at the source and none of this gets fixed by Trump throwing wrenches into the legal system like a deranged chimp or threatening our trade partners.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

If you support thoughtful immigration reforms, I'm in. But asylum-based immigration is something that basically every first world country has, and I think it's part of being a compassionate participant in the world around us. So waving your hands about asylum immigration being an abuse of the system isn't sufficient.

The democrats helped draft one of the strongest border reform bills in history and the republicans killed it. So... too bad, so sad.

Complaining about the taxpayer dollars going to support migrants is pointless. If a border agent has met with a person, admitted them into the country legally, ostensibly for the reason that they have fled for their life and safety (note: your opinion on the truth of this doesn't matter, because it happened within the legal framework), then you can't just say, "hey, welcome to the US, sorry you're fleeing for your life, but you can't get a job and we won't support you, so go starve in the streets." Putting together programs for them is better than over-burdening the general safety nets.

The problem starts with actual immigration reforms. Trump just started fucking with the legal system to the point where nothing worked anymore, but he wasn't in power long enough for a bunch of the court cases to play out. What he was doing wasn't fixing immigration, it was just making it harder and harder to process legal immigrants.

We have a legal obligation, and I believe a moral one, to provide legitimate asylum to refugees. We have caps on those numbers. If something needs to be fixed, it needs to be fixed at the source and none of this gets fixed by Trump throwing wrenches into the legal system like a deranged chimp or threatening our trade partners.

It's the abuse of the system. Obama was trying to slow the flow down and Trump started to build a wall to further slow the flow of illegals. Biden came in, stopped the wall construction and opened the boarders up. We now have over 21M illegals over here in the last 4 years. Children are being sex trafficked and now the Biden administration has lost over 300,000 children and have no clue where they are. I guess you're not too worried about them? Migrants are also coming over the Canadian boarder, that's a safe country so why doesn't Canada keep them? Why? It's because of all the free perks we give them here so why wouldn't they?

Boarder agents are ordered to let them in by the federal government, so their hands are tied. Trump was trying to narrow the passage here for migrants so they can keep better track. There are about 2M known getaways here in the US as well, those more than likely very bad people because they didn't turn themselves in for "asylum", wonder why?

We spend over $150B on illegals here alone last year, we have a homeless crisis, especially here in California that's out of control. We are Kazillions of dollars in debt and can't afford to support them over our own citizens.

How about you and every other person supporting this step up to the plate and take a family in and cover all their costs, food, medical, housing, education on your own and ease the burden of the tax payers? It's all talk from the left just like the folks in Martha's Vineyard. They were all for illegal immigration until 50 were dropped onto their doorstep by DeSantis and magically they all said we can't help them here. Hypocrisy at its best!

At the end of the day the Biden administration should have kept Trumps boarder laws in effect until they came up with a viable solution instead of just opening the floodgates. It's not rocket science.

Change of subject. Here in CA they will be banning all gas appliances in 2030 (i.e water heaters and furnaces) as well as no longer selling gas powered vehicles, that's all fine and dandy if we had the means that would not stress out our power grid and made electricity & those appliances/cars affordable. Currently, during the hot summer months they do random blackouts to conserve energy, therefore people can't use their AC, charge their Teslas etc. Again, build a bullet proof power grid then start to wean people over. You just don't cut them off and say oh well figure it out. Again, not rocket science. However the progressive left seems to know what's best for all us uneducated folks because many got their degrees in some form of liberal studies in which are useless in the real world. Unfortunately common sense has flown out the window.

Anyways BV, we can go on & on, but it's refreshing to have a debate without all the name calling unlike some here.

 

[Sandwich]

It's all talk from the left just like the folks in Martha's Vineyard. They were all for illegal immigration until 50 were dropped onto their doorstep by DeSantis and magically they all said we can't help them here. Hypocrisy at its best!

I'll start with the namecalling! You're an oblivious dick.

Here's a fact that you're too dumb to read: https://www.capeandislands.org/local-news/2022-09-16/after-migrants-arrived-in-marthas-vineyard-a-community-gathered-to-welcome-them

When republicans send their trolls, they're not sending their best, folks.

 

[boostindoubles]

However the progressive left seems to know what's best for all us uneducated folks because many got their degrees in some form of liberal studies in which are useless in the real world. Unfortunately common sense has flown out the window.

Is that so, Brian? Do you think the "progressive left" caused the Texas power grid to fail?

Do you really blame college education for all societies problems?

Why do you keep ignoring my posts about how much illegal immigrants fund social trust fund programs, like to the point illegal immigrants are propping our country up, not dragging it down like you infer?

 

[Sandwich]

Why do you keep ignoring my posts about how much illegal immigrants fund social trust fund programs, like to the point illegal immigrants are propping our country up, not dragging it down like you infer?

fox news hasn't given him the answer yet.

 

[Sandwich]

Better question- what will nate silver do in his hole for the next 3.5 years?

 

[Jm_]

Texas privatized their grid and severed their connections with neighboring states and power companies that would normally share and provide relief. Yay capitalism.

 

[rideit]

Kash Patel will fix all of this, I just know it.

 

[stevew]

it's about to be that time of year

 

[Sandwich]

Trump thought he was hiring "Cashapp" and just got confused

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

Trump thought he was hiring "Cashapp" and just got confused

Wait until D2S finds out he’s not white.

 

[Sandwich]

Wait until D2S finds out he’s not white.

What is it with TNG and hating brown people, but loving brown people? Lots of indians in his circle (and Elmo)

 

[SkaredShtles]

What is it with TNG and hating brown people, but loving brown people? Lots of indians in his circle (and Elmo)

i cAn't bE RaCiSt - i hAvE BrOwN FrIeNdS!

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

i cAn't bE RaCiSt - i hAvE BrOwN FrIeNdS!

Is that the title of Candace Owens’s new book ?

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Is that so, Brian? Do you think the "progressive left" caused the Texas power grid to fail?

Do you really blame college education for all societies problems?

Why do you keep ignoring my posts about how much illegal immigrants fund social trust fund programs, like to the point illegal immigrants are propping our country up, not dragging it down like you infer?

So why can't they follow the laws that have been in place for years on immigration? Whether they come here legally or illegally, they will end up taking the same job.

 

[boostindoubles]

So why can't they follow the laws that have been in place for years on immigration? Whether they come here legally or illegally, they will end up taking the same job.

People who follow the laws to come here generally shoot for better work than illegal immigrants shoot for. If an illegal immigrant worked in the fields for 20 years and then got legal status, I could see them staying in the fields after they got legal.

There's thousands and thousands of people who come here seasonally to do field work - but they come on work visas and they leave the country after so many months.

 

[rideit]

So why can't they follow the laws?

BWAHAHAHAHA
Do you know ANYTHING about the criminals in not just the Trump administration, but how criminal his most ardent supporters are?

Holy detachment from reality!

 

[binary visions]

Biden came in, stopped the wall construction and opened the boarders up.

The wall was forever and ever one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

Also Biden didn't open the "boarders" up (what does "opening the borders" even mean?).

He put an end to Trump's (likely illegal) attempts to tangle up the legal system, to resume our normal legal immigration policies.

We now have over 21M illegals over here in the last 4 years.

Cite your sources or I'll assume you're making things up.

Children are being sex trafficked and now the Biden administration has lost over 300,000 children and have no clue where they are

Cite your sources or I'll assume you're making things up.

How about you and every other person supporting this step up to the plate and take a family in and cover all their costs, food, medical, housing, education on your own and ease the burden of the tax payers?

This is just trolling.

Boarder agents are ordered to let them in by the federal government, so their hands are tied.

You know what would help fix this? A serious immigration reform bill. Like the one that the republicans just killed.

 

[Pesqueeb]

BWAHAHAHAHA
Do you know ANYTHING about the criminals in not just the Trump administration, but how criminal his most ardent supporters are?

Holy detachment from reality!

Let's not pretend like each and every single one of them, including the president -elect himself, aren't all getting pardoned on day one of the new administration. Because you know: "hUnTEr biDeN!"

 

[Sandwich]

Is that the title of Candace Owens’s new book ?

I have doubts that Owens still has brown people that associate with her.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

The wall was forever and ever one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.

Also Biden didn't open the "boarders" up (what does "opening the borders" even mean?).

He put an end to Trump's (likely illegal) attempts to tangle up the legal system, to resume our normal legal immigration policies.



Cite your sources or I'll assume you're making things up.



Cite your sources or I'll assume you're making things up.



This is just trolling.



You know what would help fix this? A serious immigration reform bill. Like the one that the republicans just killed.

Opening up the boarders means boarder patrol was forced to let them in instead of sending them back to their country of origin.

Total illegals under Biden is roughly 12M including got a ways. That number didn’t include the over 6M illegals already here so 18M estimated. Not sure what 2024 totals will be. So my bad for not getting the numbers right.

Biden-Harris admin loses track of 320,000 migrant children — with untold numbers at risk of sex trafficking and forced labor

“One child lost to trafficking is one too many. This systemic failure demands immediate attention and reform to ensure the safety of all children in our care.”

nypost.com

The immigration reform bill was way after the fact. If the Biden administration was serious about it, they would have kept Trumps boarder policy muntil that bill passed.

 

[AngryMetalsmith]

It's quite indicative of one's capability to learn when they continue to misspell the very word they are arguing over despite it being used correctly numerous times by both the posters they disagree with and supporting references. I had teachers in grade school that would take off points if you misspelled a word in your answer that was used in the question because you were just too fucking stupid too see it. Teh Monkey never disappoints. Carry on...

 

[binary visions]

Total illegals under Biden is roughly 12M including got a ways. That number didn’t include the over 6M illegals already here so 18M estimated. Not sure what 2024 totals will be. So my bad for not getting the numbers right.

Do you know what "cite your sources" means?

Because it doesn't mean just saying new numbers.

Also the irony is, if you click through to the source report for the one source you did post, instead of relying on a sterling publication like the NY Post, you'll find that it explicitly does not say that the Biden administration "lost" or can't find 300,000 minors.

The source document goes into detail about a number of failings throughout the process. None of which are good, mind you. But a lot of them are simply lack of easy or automated information sharing between government sectors, which is not uncommon. This doesn't excuse the fact that any unaccompanied minors are lost (despite the fact that it is likely many of them are going intentionally lost), but it does mean that, when I say cite your sources for a claim like "300k kids are missing," and you post a source that doesn't say what you claim, I will assume that your claim is just made up.

And "just keep doing something illegal until you have a new thing to do" does very much line up with what I'd expect someone who supports the Trump administration to believe to be the correct course of action.

 

[boostindoubles]

Snow "boarder"

Immigration "border"

 

[rideit]

Oh, Brian, it’s just SO easy to counter basically everything you say with the truth.

Claim that 320,000 migrant children went missing during the Biden administration is misleading

A DHS document does not declare 320,000 kids missing.

www.wkyc.com

 

[sundaydoug]

Snow "boarder"

Immigration "border"

Shhhhhhh. Some of us are having fun watching.

 

[Sandwich]

As a moderator I try not to block anybody so I can see what you knuckleheads are up to, but blocking brain may have been The best thing for my sanity in ages. Some people just refuse to discuss in good faith and they don’t deserve to have a voice.

edit to add: posting this primarily as a suggestion for others. I enjoy debating with people that have other viewpoints and opinions, but struggle with people who are closed minded and don't back up their opinions with facts.