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Not the sharpest tool in the shed
Oct 18, 2002
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The Cleft of Venus
A legal requirement of heading up the VA should be that whom ever does must rely exclusively on that gov run shitshow for their (and their dependent's) heath care for the term of their appointment.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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A legal requirement of heading up the VA should be that whom ever does must rely exclusively on that gov run shitshow for their (and their dependent's) heath care for the term of their appointment.
Would be like relying on public education as Sec of Education.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
A legal requirement of heading up the VA should be that whom ever does must rely exclusively on that gov run shitshow for their (and their dependent's) heath care for the term of their appointment.
Let's remember that the administration only respects veterans who don't get captured/injured/sick. Those folks are losers.
 

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jimmydean

The Official Meat of Ridemonkey
Sep 10, 2001
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Errbody get those carbon rims and frames right now cuz they're about to be real expensive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/world/asia/china-donald-trump-taiwan-twitter.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0


I'd also probably move off the west coast in the next year or two if you're there. You know. Cuz bombs.

But hey, it's great having a pres who ain't gonna take no shit on twitter. He's just so strong. So assertive. Real big league stuff. I feel great already.
Those hotels aren't going to build themselves and he's only got this job for 4 years. He has his future to think about, you know.
 

JohnE

filthy rascist
May 13, 2005
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Front Range, dude...
A legal requirement of heading up the VA should be that whom ever does must rely exclusively on that gov run shitshow for their (and their dependent's) heath care for the term of their appointment.
My experiences with the VA have been 98% positive so far. Keep in mind that I am a relatively recent retiree, and have not been dependent upon them for anything major. Yet.
I am also relatively intelligent and fairly pro active when it comes to my affairs. I suspect that many of those having problems with VA care, no matter what flavor it is, look to them to be the end all and be all for their issues.

This does not discount the abuses and delays experienced by some older Vets who have bore the brunt of the problems with the administration.
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle

Perhaps I am drinking my own cool-aid, but automating manufacturing typically replaces a number of low skill low wage jobs with a few significantly higher paying jobs. Probably not good news if you are an idiot, but generally will be better for the economy and job market by beefing up the middle-middle class, which evidence points to having real positive trickle-down benefits.
 

Jm_

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Perhaps I am drinking my own cool-aid, but automating manufacturing typically replaces a number of low skill low wage jobs with a few significantly higher paying jobs. Probably not good news if you are an idiot, but generally will be better for the economy and job market by beefing up the middle-middle class, which evidence points to having real positive trickle-down benefits.
Free college to 55 year olds so they can go back to school and become electronic and mechanical engineers. Totally realistic, right? By the time they are 80-85, they'll be able to retire, assuming their new job doesn't boot them again before they can pull retirement.
 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
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Riding past the morgue.
Perhaps I am drinking my own cool-aid, but automating manufacturing typically replaces a number of low skill low wage jobs with a few significantly higher paying jobs. Probably not good news if you are an idiot, but generally will be better for the economy and job market by beefing up the middle-middle class, which evidence points to having real positive trickle-down benefits.
I don't disagree, and now Carrier gets a sweet tax break to fire all those people. Everyone wins!
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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Free college to 55 year olds so they can go back to school and become electronic and mechanical engineers. Totally realistic, right? By the time they are 80-85, they'll be able to retire, assuming their new job doesn't boot them again before they can pull retirement.
Cynical view: those people aren't saving a hill of beans for retirement no matter what their pay. All you have to do is get them to age 62.
 

JohnE

filthy rascist
May 13, 2005
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Front Range, dude...
There seems to be in our country an attitude that every good 'murikan™ needs or wants to be white collar. That wont work. In the words of Judge Smails, "The world needs ditch diggers too..."
 

Nick

My name is Nick
Sep 21, 2001
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where the trails are
I've got to believe that more and more Drumpf supporters are seeing that they were duped. With no wall happening, no 'lock her up' and now this CIA statement, that should push the more level headed, well intentioned supporters to doubt he intends to do anything but get rich along with his global $B buddies.

So, then what? Is there any mechanism to correct this, save for an impeachable offense or 2020?
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
Free college to 55 year olds so they can go back to school and become electronic and mechanical engineers. Totally realistic, right? By the time they are 80-85, they'll be able to retire, assuming their new job doesn't boot them again before they can pull retirement.
Not everyone needs to be a professional to work in a modern factory, in fact most don't. However you need different skills. Adapt or be left behind.

Unless Americans are either willing to buy American made brands no matter the price, American manufactures need to adapt to become competitive. Automation is the way to maintain domestic manufacturing unless workers are willing to accept sub-poverty level wages to compete internationally.

We are currently automating a bunch of stuff at work. A lot of people used to doing things manually are being taught how to run automation. In our case it actually requires more labor. Some old dudes are opting to retire rather than learn new things, despite being given the opportunity.
 

Jm_

sled dog's bollocks
Jan 14, 2002
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Not everyone needs to be a professional to work in a modern factory, in fact most don't.
Course not, all you need to be is a robot!

Unless Americans are either willing to buy American made brands no matter the price, American manufactures need to adapt to become competitive. Automation is the way to maintain domestic manufacturing unless workers are willing to accept sub-poverty level wages to compete internationally.
The idea that our "power" is in manufacturing is ridiculous, except perhaps for the manufacturing of food or things that end up on shelves and are called "food", we seem to be pretty good at that. Otherwise, our power is innovating, coming up with new shit, new processes, new materials, etc. It's shortsighted, ridiculous and a whole bunch of other bad things to think that we'll be able to "stay on top" of manufacturing competing with nations of billions of people that want to improve their way of life. When talking about "adapting", I agree. That's good ole capitalism, where either you come out with new processes, more efficient processes, expand into new markets, or you die off because the next guy that comes around does what you do better than you, putting you out of business. When you do go out of business, you create a hole that can either be taken up by that other business, or perhaps something new and even better. The problem is that people's lives still get destroyed in the process, the ones that put in years to have the retirement fund disappear or the CEO take the golden parachute while the company goes down in flames. We haven't really addressed this ever as a nation, but we have accelerated it with automation. Automation isn't going to generate an equal number of jobs.

We are currently automating a bunch of stuff at work. A lot of people used to doing things manually are being taught how to run automation. In our case it actually requires more labor. Some old dudes are opting to retire rather than learn new things, despite being given the opportunity.
Well, maybe in that case, but not on the whole. Automation replaces people. Then what do the people do? Do we send them to Make America Great Again re-education camps?

And you are right, when people start realizing a 40" TV costs $2000, I-pad $1500, etc. to make domestically, shit will get real very fast.
 

Toshi

butthole powerwashing evangelist
Oct 23, 2001
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"I'm like...a smart person"

(Quote from today)
The sad/funny things about that:

1) Clearly subpar vocabulary and limited interest in reading anything... like Sarah Palin! Great company to keep.

2) He's lied repeatedly about being at the top of his Wharton class. Moreover he didn't get an MBA from there but was a transfer undergrad student! I didn't know this latter bit, as Wharton clearly implies business school/MBA to most rational people.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-donald-trump-myths-20160128-story.html

For years, numerous media reports said Trump graduated first in his class from Wharton, but that’s wrong. The 1968 commencement program does not list him as graduating with any sort of honors. In fact, The Boston Globe reported that he barely made an impression at all: “His former classmates said he seemed a student who spoke up a lot but rarely shined in class, who barely participated in campus activities, shunned fraternity parties.”
CN: Dude is not a bright bulb but is rich, a tremendous liar, and now is to be our president. :facepalm:
 

Westy

the teste
Nov 22, 2002
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Sleazattle
Course not, all you need to be is a robot!



The idea that our "power" is in manufacturing is ridiculous, except perhaps for the manufacturing of food or things that end up on shelves and are called "food", we seem to be pretty good at that. Otherwise, our power is innovating, coming up with new shit, new processes, new materials, etc. It's shortsighted, ridiculous and a whole bunch of other bad things to think that we'll be able to "stay on top" of manufacturing competing with nations of billions of people that want to improve their way of life. When talking about "adapting", I agree. That's good ole capitalism, where either you come out with new processes, more efficient processes, expand into new markets, or you die off because the next guy that comes around does what you do better than you, putting you out of business. When you do go out of business, you create a hole that can either be taken up by that other business, or perhaps something new and even better. The problem is that people's lives still get destroyed in the process, the ones that put in years to have the retirement fund disappear or the CEO take the golden parachute while the company goes down in flames. We haven't really addressed this ever as a nation, but we have accelerated it with automation. Automation isn't going to generate an equal number of jobs.



Well, maybe in that case, but not on the whole. Automation replaces people. Then what do the people do? Do we send them to Make America Great Again re-education camps?

And you are right, when people start realizing a 40" TV costs $2000, I-pad $1500, etc. to make domestically, shit will get real very fast.
My argument is that automation saves domestic jobs as compared to losing them to cheap third world labor or competition that uses such practices.

Also recognize your TV put a bunch of Vaudeville actors out of a job along with travelling circuses. May I suggest we continue this conversation via written letter and pony express lest we support the obsolescence of those brave couriers and pony tenders.


Mmmm pony tenders.

 

Pesqueeb

bicycle in airplane hangar
Feb 2, 2007
41,961
19,327
Riding past the morgue.
The sad/funny things about that:

1) Clearly subpar vocabulary and limited interest in reading anything... like Sarah Palin! Great company to keep.

2) He's lied repeatedly about being at the top of his Wharton class. Moreover he didn't get an MBA from there but was a transfer undergrad student! I didn't know this latter bit, as Wharton clearly implies business school/MBA to most rational people.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-donald-trump-myths-20160128-story.html



CN: Dude is not a bright bulb but is rich, a tremendous liar, and now is to be our president. :facepalm:
But my healthcare is expensive!
 

6thElement

Schrodinger's Immigrant
Jul 29, 2008
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Trump frequently touts his financial acumen. He often says he is worth $10 billion, though most analysts say that is exaggerated. Bloomberg News closely studied his 92-page financial disclosure report and concluded that he is really worth $2.9 billion.

That may sound like a lot of money. But don’t forget that Trump inherited a lot of money, too — about $40 million in 1974. In 1978, his net worth was estimated by BusinessWeek at $100 million. The Post’s Wonkblog calculated that if Trump had gotten out of real estate, put his money in an index fund based on the Standard & Poor’s 500 index and reinvested the dividends, he’d be worth twice as much — $6 billion — today.

National Journal noted that Warren Buffett was also worth $40 million in 1974 — and he managed to turn that into $67 billion today. But then Buffett doesn’t have a long list of business flops, such as Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka, various Trump casinos, Trump Steaks and Trump University.
So he's going to take the national debt and double it in four years :tinfoil: