...but you may want to stock up on tin foil.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose
Don't know if this has been posted yet...
- Thread starter H8R
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Yeah, been posted. Haven't watched the whole thing yet though.
Yeah....looks pretty eerie...I don't want to believe that people knew...but chit...looks hokey to me....I suppose this just reaffirms my belief that I can't trust anyone but myself....H8R said:
aging changleen::changleen to the tinfoil hat phone please:
I'm only about 30 min in so far....still have to "look" like I'm doing something productive...chicodude said:
I'm definitely going to invest in some oragami lessons so I can make my hat look really good.
Some stuff.chicodude said:
Example: how was the cell phone call to that one guys mom faked? (the one transcribed call from flight 93). They go on to speculate voice emulation software. F&ckin sci fi garbage right there.
That kinda thing doesn't help a film like this in the credibility dept.
Alot of these movies have a whole bunch of, well.. crap thrown in there too to give them a bit of popular appeal. You need to ignore the obvious rubbish and false 'evidence' of which there is admittedly quite a bit, and focus on the important bit things.H8R said:
To me the more important questions are:
WTC7 (and in all likelyhood so were 1+2) was obviously demolished. Why do the Government deny it?
There was plenty of time to intercept the Pentagon flight, in fact Cheney himself was watching it approach on Radar for at least 30 minutes before impact, probably more, but nothing was tasked to intercept. In fact it seems as if there was a stand down order given. Why?
Why was the rubble from WTC1+2 illegally removed before any serious investigation could take place?
Why won't the Pentagon release ANY footage of the Pentagon impact in the face of so much controversy?
There are many more, I need to do some work...
Why was the crash site of flight 93 a hole in the ground with almost no debris and NO bodies were found? None? Not one body? Not even a tooth?Changleen said:
The whole thing about the melting point of metal too, the twin towers, the incineration of the flight 77 and 93...
I took a welding class about a year and a half ago. I learned that kerosene (and jet fuel) is a really poor fuel to use for welding: not enough heat. Even when mixed w/ oxygen for oxy/fuel cutting, it's fine for steel, but it's the oxygen at pressure that does the cutting anyway, not the fuel itself. Ti doesn't cut via oxydation like mild steel anyway, so there os no godamn way a jet eninge is gonna melt away like that.
Plain kerosene buring at 2000 degrees MIGHT melt the aluminum, but not high grade steel or titanium. It is physically not possible.
So what happened 77 and 93? What were they using for fuel? Acetylene? (lol!)
Yeah, there is also a DNA evidence thing somewhere else - I think it was at WTC1+2 there was 'no DNA evidence left, it was all burned up' whereas at the Pentagon they supposedly identified all but a couple of the passengers from their DNA. Secondly at the WTC they 'found' one of the hijackers passports almost completely unscathed whilst they could not find any DNA. Maybe they should stop lying and admit they disposed of the evidence way too fast... But that just makes us ask 'why?' again... Oh dear...
What it comes down to is there are litterally hundreds of glaring holes in the official account that give rise to all these questions. They are being actively swept under the rug and ignored by the Government and Military. In what way does this not look like a cover-up of some sort?
What it comes down to is there are litterally hundreds of glaring holes in the official account that give rise to all these questions. They are being actively swept under the rug and ignored by the Government and Military. In what way does this not look like a cover-up of some sort?
If flight 77 disintegrated to the point of nothing left in a fireball that could melt titanium alloys used in the engines, then they shouldn't have been able to find a single molecule of a human being, let alone identify most of the passengers.Changleen said:
Some easy cut/paste welding references here, might help clarify some of the film.
1)
Thomas Wilson created the oxyacetylene torch in 1903. He combined both pure oxygen (99.5%) and acetylene in proper proportions to yield a flame of about 3,480 degrees Celsius. Oxyacetylene the only gas mixture that will burn hot enough to cut steel. It is particularly useful for welding different metals underwater.
The chemical action of the oxyacetylene flame can be adjusted by changing the ratio of the volume of oxygen to acetylene. Three distinct flame settings are used, neutral, oxidizing and carburizing. Welding is generally carried out using the neutral flame setting, which has equal quantities of oxygen and acetylene. The oxidizing flame is obtained by increasing just the oxygen flow rate while the carburising flame is achieved by increasing acetylene flow in relation to oxygen flow.
More:
http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/weld/weld.html
1)
Thomas Wilson created the oxyacetylene torch in 1903. He combined both pure oxygen (99.5%) and acetylene in proper proportions to yield a flame of about 3,480 degrees Celsius. Oxyacetylene the only gas mixture that will burn hot enough to cut steel. It is particularly useful for welding different metals underwater.
The chemical action of the oxyacetylene flame can be adjusted by changing the ratio of the volume of oxygen to acetylene. Three distinct flame settings are used, neutral, oxidizing and carburizing. Welding is generally carried out using the neutral flame setting, which has equal quantities of oxygen and acetylene. The oxidizing flame is obtained by increasing just the oxygen flow rate while the carburising flame is achieved by increasing acetylene flow in relation to oxygen flow.
More:
http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/weld/weld.html
I wish I could hear and read and see facts that scare me, and then dismiss them all as "tinfoil hat conspiracy".
what a great fake world!
what a great fake world!
particle bored said:
I believe alot of the conspiracy theories, but you still need to do alot of weeding. You can't accept the stuff that is just someone coming to an illogical conclusion. There is a bunch of that in the film.
What scares me is what we don't know at all. The things that are going on behind the scenes that are not transparent.
uh, I was referring to the frightened Bush Zombies who refuse to see that Bush is phoquing up America in grand fashion, but I agree with what you say.H8R said:
unfortunately, you have to have a decent amount of education to know how to "weed out" the good stuff from the wacko entertainment. most Americans don't have a decent education. many are "educated" even with advanced degrees, yet cling to silly platitudes and refuse to use a serious questioning mind.
Complacency is where it's at!!!particle bored said:
There's nothing like sitting on a couch, getting fat whilst the gears of government churn away thousands of citizens lives, all for personal enjoyment of the all mighty dollar. It makes me feel all fuzzy inside knowing that anything could get phucked up at anytime...sigh.....Damn it!! Where'd I put that tin foil roll??!!!
you're right. I was talking about the faculty at most "prestigious" colleges and universities!H8R said:Ok, you can't be referring to anyone on RM....
Tin foil is definitely the look for this season.Secret Squirrel said:Complacency is where it's at!!!
Damn it!! Where'd I put that tin foil roll??!!!
Aw crap!! I didn't take into account my cats!! They can put voodoo into my head through my eyes!! I'll have to foil them up good!!Changleen said:Tin foil is definitely the look for this season.
Popular Mechanics is owned and run by the man. You can't trus' that shiat, G. Secondly their 'refuting' of the arguments put forth bu many of the 'tin-foil brigade' is lame as fvck and relies heavily on the very reports people have an issue with.
There is just about as much cause and effect in that video as there is in this:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/coincidence.asp
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/coincidence.asp
Airline stock trades: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/putcall.asp
FEMA workers in NYC in advance of 9/11: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/fema.htm
Pentagon: Plane vs Missle: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
..and I'll throw this one in as a BONUS for the tinfoil brigade:
Did the CIA develope AIDS: http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/aids.asp
FEMA workers in NYC in advance of 9/11: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/fema.htm
Pentagon: Plane vs Missle: http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
..and I'll throw this one in as a BONUS for the tinfoil brigade:
Did the CIA develope AIDS: http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/aids.asp
N8 said:
N8, what did you think about that wingding thing?
H8R said:Dude, it's Snopes. The ultimate authority.
You started it first with your silly video.
N8 said:
Dude, are you seriously so loyal? Do you ever question anything? Are you that trusting? What does it take to get to where you are, I wonder.
It's important to be suspicious of those in power. Power corrupts. There is SO much for them to gain by twisting the facts and hiding the truth and playing the shell game.
I admit, there is some seriously flawed LOGIC in some of the conclusions arrived at in that film, but a good portion of it is hard to let go.
Even you, though you'd tow the line to your grave I'd imagine, you have to admit that there was alot of un-answered questions about 9/11. The Snopes crap you posted does not answer a damn thing.
Example:
As the front of the Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, the outer portions of the wings likely snapped during the initial impact, then were pushed inward towards the fuselage and carried into the building's interior; the inner portions of the wings probably penetrated the Pentagon walls with the rest of the plane. Any sizable portions of the wings were destroyed in the explosion or the subsequent fire.
Bullsh*t. There should have been HUGE chunks of plane all over the crash site, especially if it bounced before impact. The engines could not have just evaporated.
There are HOLES in the story.
Did you even watch the damn movie?
Wait...WTF am I asking N8 questions for?
N8 said:
Heres some more unexplainable factors of the Pentagon cover-up and 911;
Where was the environmental clean-up, from the 50 to 80 thousand gallons of unburned jet fuel released from flight 77 as hit the Pentagon?; as youve probably noticed, there wasnt any kind of prolonged fire or mass burning of fuel at that site. It would have been mandatory for a massive fuel removal clean-up to take place, most of the soil around the entry point would had to of been actually removed and replaced, it always is when there is that much dumped.
Norad watched flight 77 head towards our military complex headquarters, not mention our nations capital, for 30-40mins. And didnt even evacuate the buildings. Come on!
And what about the contriving of the Patriot Act and training of soldiers for the specific operations to be used in Afghanistan, six months before 911?!! I know soldiers that were involved in the training exercises and these were door-to-door civilian containment style. Completely unprecedented.
Why was the Bin Laden family not only able to fly out of the country on 911, but freely escorted out by our government, while all other aircraft is grounded? Isnt the family one of the first places you start asking questions in a real criminal investigation?
Why no FEMA at ground zero?
Why was all that gold found parked in a vacant truck in one of the tunnels in between the two towers, obviously out of harms way and waiting to be found perfectly intact at a later date? Seems rather odd.
The U.S. should be ashamed of what the 911 Commission has referred to as an Investigation, but most are not because they either do not care or are sleep walking through life.
It all leaves me scratching my head with no understanding as to why the 911 investigation is closed! There are, right now, millions of Americans walking around asking each other these same questions. How long do you think the government can play dodge ball with these issues?
And dont worry, in the long run, your going to need a lot more than a roll of tin foil to protect you from this kind of sh!t.
RING-RING!!!
Wake-up! Reality calling....
Wake-up! Reality calling....