[Damn True]

So....another case of a female teacher having sex with a minor student in the news this week.

Why is it that the cases in which the abuser is a woman seem to be regarded differently than if the abuser is a guy?

I mean, if you had a 16 year old daughter that was seduced by her male teacher you would call it sexual abuse right?

Would you feel the same if it was a 16 year old son seduced by a female?

In my mind they are the same thing.

Do you think there REALLY is a difference?
Can you explain why the public seems to regard it differently?
How does the justice system get away with such differential in sentancing?

Discuss...

 

[MudGrrl]

I don't regard it differently.

abuse is abuse...

doesn't matter whether the abuser is man/woman/priest.......
they all need to be dealt with..

 

[ohio]

Why is it that the cases in which the abuser is a woman seem to be regarded differently than if the abuser is a guy?

Because of the psychological repercussions for the victim.

DT, you already know the answer; what are you fishing for? A statement that men and women are treated differently? Does that upset you? Why?

Is this going to turn into one of those whiney "the bias only works in one direction and I'm so oppressed as a white-Christian-male" threads?

 

[Echo]

I remember a couple of hot teachers that I would have let "abuse" me while I was in high school. :devil:

 

[-BB-]

Because of the psychological repercussions for the victim.

DT, you already know the answer; what are you fishing for? A statement that men and women are treated differently? Does that upset you? Why?

Is this going to turn into one of those whiney "the bias only works in one direction and I'm so oppressed as a white-Christian-male" threads?

LOL...


Didn't that one female teacher go to jail for a while for :dancing: with a male student. (Now they are married)

Where was the double standard there.

True is just Phishing.

 

[ridetoofast]

i dont know if i'd call it fishing perse...you can't possibly think that there is equity in sentencing given a reversal of the situation

 

[sanjuro]

Most people believe men take advantage of women, either physically or psychologically. There would plenty of empirical proof to support this idea for any age range.

The converse is not exactly a common held idea. Actually, there are tons of movies about the teenage boy and the older woman, from Risky Business to American Pie.

You might analyze it many ways: protection of female virtue, losing male virginity, etc. Obviously every case has to be dealt individually, but I would think any teenage boy would jump at a hotter older woman, where the opposite would be jail time...

 

[Changleen]

It's a social roles thing. Men penetrate, Women are penetrated. This concept defines all our views at some level, and is prevelant across mass media, however disengenoius it may be the reality of actual interpersonal relationships.

 

[Damn True]

LOL...


Didn't that one female teacher go to jail for a while for :dancing: with a male student. (Now they are married)

Where was the double standard there.

True is just Phishing.

She was 27 he was 12 she served seven years.

Seven years seems like an awfully short sentance to be handed out for sexual abuse against a 12 year old.

 

[Damn True]

Because of the psychological repercussions for the victim.

DT, you already know the answer; what are you fishing for? A statement that men and women are treated differently? Does that upset you? Why?

Is this going to turn into one of those whiney "the bias only works in one direction and I'm so oppressed as a white-Christian-male" threads?

Nothing sinister about my intent here. Just trying to see what other peoples feelings on the matter are.

IMO sentances for male sex abusers are too light, and they are absurd for female sex abusers. IMO they ought to be exactly the same.

 

[sanjuro]

I think there is a huge difference between a 12 and a 16 year old. One kid is prepubescent, the other in the middle of a hormone rage...

 

[Changleen]

In all cases, there should be a lot of time spent identifying the emotional and developmental state of the involved parties, as well as the reality of their relationship. Whilst it is illegal for and older woman to sleep with a minor, a willing, savvy 15 year old sleeping with a female teacher is a lot of a different proposition from a 13 year old girl being coerced into a relationship by an older male. While both are equally illegal, I'd say the older male would deserve a far harsher sentance. You can't dish out the same sentance in both situations. It's just not fair.

 

[Damn True]

In all cases, there should be a lot of time spent identifying the emotional and developmental state of the involved parties, as well as the reality of their relationship. Whilst it is illegal for and older woman to sleep with a minor, a willing, savvy 15 year old sleeping with a female teacher is a lot of a different proposition from a 13 year old girl being coerced into a relationship by an older male. While both are equally illegal, I'd say the older male would deserve a far harsher sentance. You can't dish out the same sentance in both situations. It's just not fair.

If you are the parent of both kids would you really think that way?

Honestly is there a difference between a 15 year old boy and a 15 year old girl being sexually abused by and adult?

 

[Damn True]

......but I would think any teenage boy would jump at a hotter older woman, where the opposite would be jail time...

Sexual predators prey on a fixed set of weakness' or needs in their victim. Some go after little girls who lack a father figure. Others go after little boys who are seen as weak by their peers.

What you describe is an expression of that which a predator either male or female exploits.

 

[Changleen]

If you are the parent of both kids would you really think that way?

Probably not, but that's the reason we have Jurys. Actually if my 15 yr old son was baggin' his 25 yr old hot teacher I'd probably think that was pretty cool. I don't think his Mum would though...

Honestly is there a difference between a 15 year old boy and a 15 year old girl being sexually abused by and adult?

If they are both being abused and coerced equally into the situation, then no, but that isn't always going to be the case. No interpersonal relationship is ever the same, and I don't think blanket treatment of these sceanareos in particularly helpful. I mean, 15 year olds these days, I can quite easily imagine situations where they might initiate these relationships. That throws a considerably different light on it, even though the older party would still be wrong to proceed with such a relationship.

 

[Toshi]

Probably not, but that's the reason we have Jurys. Actually if my 15 yr old son was baggin' his 25 yr old hot teacher I'd probably think that was pretty cool. I don't think his Mum would though...

what if the teacher was a hideous looking 25 yr old? neaky:

 

[Changleen]

That's not cool, man. I'd be suing the school board for not employing hot enough MILFs.

 

[ohio]

IMO sentances for male sex abusers are too light, and they are absurd for female sex abusers. IMO they ought to be exactly the same.

I don't understand. Males are punished to a greater extent. How can you both want men punished more, while also thinking they ought to be the same. Is that a typo or am I misreading it?

 

[Damn True]

Yes you are misreading, but I wasn't 100% clear either, sorry.

Situation as of now is this.
If you have a 15 year old daughter and a 15 year old son (I dunno, fraternal twins maybe) and they are both sexually abused by their teachers (the daughter by a male teacher and the son by a female). The male teacher will serve around 20 years and a the woman about 10 (thumbnail anecdotal figure based on recent memory).

I feel that the man should get at least 30-life for each sexual act to be served consecutively........and so should the woman. Same crime, same punishment. Sexual predators do not reform, they just wait for parole to prey again.

 

[Damn True]

....and to throw a monkey into the wrenchworks......some of you seem to be kinda ok with the idea of a 15 year old child knockin boots with a 35 year old female teacher. I suspect it's because you think when you were 15 it woulda been kinda cool to be havin some sex with a hot older teacher (I never had a teacher that was hot so maybe I can't relate).

But what if it was the same 15 year old boy, but the teacher is male?
Is it still kinda cool? Would you be stoked for your son? If you were the kid would you be bragging to your bro's in gym class that Mr. Epstien slipped you the pork sword?

 

[Changleen]

If I was Gay I hope I'd be happy enough with my sexuality.

 

[ohio]

....and to throw a monkey into the wrenchworks......some of you seem to be kinda ok with the idea of a 15 year old child knockin boots with a 35 year old female teacher. I suspect it's because you think when you were 15 it woulda been kinda cool to be havin some sex with a hot older teacher (I never had a teacher that was hot so maybe I can't relate).

But what if it was the same 15 year old boy, but the teacher is male?
Is it still kinda cool? Would you be stoked for your son? If you were the kid would you be bragging to your bro's in gym class that Mr. Epstien slipped you the pork sword?

I actually specifically remember a young gay student (~15yo) who was dating a relatively young gay teacher (~25yo) at my highschool. It was obviously on the DL, but no one who knew about it seemed to have a major problem with it, because it was a consentual and the kid seemed mature enough that their wasn't any clear emotional dominance in the relationship. The illegality of it made us all a bit uncomfortable, but I would be much more uncomfortable punishing the teacher as a "predator"

So what I'm getting at is that the nature of the relationship dictates the magnitude of the crime. If a female teacher were truly preying on male students, then yes, she should be punished to the same extent as a male teacher preying on young girls. However, (without knowing the facts) I would speculate that the older-male/younger-girl relationships are more often of a predatory nature than older-woman/young-boy, and are therefore more damaging emotionally to the victim. Again, on average.

 

[Changleen]

Yes you are misreading, but I wasn't 100% clear either, sorry.

Situation as of now is this.
If you have a 15 year old daughter and a 15 year old son (I dunno, fraternal twins maybe) and they are both sexually abused by their teachers (the daughter by a male teacher and the son by a female). The male teacher will serve around 20 years and a the woman about 10 (thumbnail anecdotal figure based on recent memory).

I feel that the man should get at least 30-life for each sexual act to be served consecutively........and so should the woman. Same crime, same punishment. Sexual predators do not reform, they just wait for parole to prey again.

So you think sex crimes are worse than Murder? Or would you increase the punishment for that too?

 

[Damn True]

If I was Gay I hope I'd be happy enough with my sexuality.

Who said the kid was gay?
Most sexual predators who victimize boys live otherwise normal hetero lives.

 

[Changleen]

Who said the kid was gay?
Most sexual predators who victimize boys live otherwise normal hetero lives.

Oh, in that case, no, that's not cool.