[drt_jumper]

Scoff at my $5-$15 guesstimate all you want. But considering how many licensed frame are being sold each year (hell if I know, but a lot I'm sure), that's a lot of scratch for something you have no costs in producing.



Who's closer, me or Mr. $400 per frame?

First of all I am not going to tell you what it costs are because I dont not know "all" the costs, they do vary based on the terms I posted earlier. There is no "flat" fee. And your estimate of 5-15 dollars is closer than $400. But it is not that cheap. It seems to start around $45-60 per frame and goes up from there. Keep in mind that if your production costs go up, your retail costs need to go up as well to make the same margins, hence one of the reasons why dw link bikes cost more than a simple single pivot, and while I particularly dont like the way dw link big bikes feel, it doesnt mean that the design is "off" and didnt take time to come up with, you have to recoup your costs for your time and prototyping somewhere.

 

[Old_Sckool]

First of all I am not going to tell you what it costs are because I dont not know "all" the costs, they do vary based on the terms I posted earlier. There is no "flat" fee. And your estimate of 5-15 dollars is closer than $400. But it is not that cheap. It seems to start around $45-60 per frame and goes up from there. Keep in mind that if your production costs go up, your retail costs need to go up as well to make the same margins, hence one of the reasons why dw link bikes cost more than a simple single pivot, and while I particularly dont like the way dw link big bikes feel, it doesnt mean that the design is "off" and didnt take time to come up with, you have to recoup your costs for your time and prototyping somewhere.

$45 to $60 seems plausible (although, that still seems a little high). My info was based on data from around 2003. So I guess quadrupling is certainly possible in that time frame.

Might explain why so many builders are dropping it for other alternatives. That and the fact that consumers are starting to figure out that Horst isn't necessarily the Holy Grail of suspension design after all.

Personally, I think its good if licensing fees drives designers to other alternatives. It just feeds innovation.

 

[norbar]

Is it only me or has this tread gone retarded with all the "Gues the FSR price game?" Do I get a donkey when I win?

 

[swaussie]

Is it only me or has this tread gone retarded with all the "Gues the FSR price game?" Do I get a donkey when I win?

Yep, but Donkeys are licenced and guess how much thats gonna cost you?? :biggrin:

 

[norbar]

Yep, but Donkeys are licenced and guess how much thats gonna cost you?? :biggrin:

Does the license apply to outside of mexico?

 

[maddog17]

that really does suck for DW. i like my IH Hollowpoint and i like the DW link on it. been looking at the Pivots now for a replacement.

 

[MMike]

No excuse not to buy that helicopter now......

 

[dilzy]

Clearly I won this special Olympics race and now I would like my donut shop please and also the donkey that was offered.

 

[FarkinRyan]

I clearly offered a doughnut shop, not a donut shop. Claims for donut shops will not be honoured.

 

[Sam B]

I'm not on just crack, but that $400 dollar figure was from if my memory serves me correctly (which it usually doesn't) an article on Turner switching from FSR to SP.

$5-15 per frame...you sir are on a seven day mushroom trip.

A $15 cost per frame equals much more than a $15 increase in the MSRP of a frame.

Donuts are tasty, oily and sweet.

 

[LMC]

hahaha

DW if you want your money, i have "friends" who solve problems

I have-a my friend place the severed head tube of an iron horse on the owners a-pillow..