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StabprimoMonkee

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no skid marks said:
Ha ha ha. Didn't DW used to be Evils Overlord?

I'm not sure what to say or how I feel about this. DW had a thread requesting images of old designs, possibly with the intent to patent them.
DW is a great designer, and his method of getting his designs out there via patents and licensing is great to keep him free from one company and it's marketing ideals. And it is fair that he gets to patent HIS ideas and protect them, and it is dud if Trek chose to do the dodgy on him after he shared a design with them, even if it was "prior art". I'm happy to just boycott Trek until the dust settles. I wish they'd stuck with their high single pivot design anyway, and their frames are made too lightweight and perishable for my liking anyway. Profit seems very high on Treks agenda, and yes that is the point of a company, but when do you cross the line to being unethical.
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Personally I am also joining this boycott. Or should I say that y'all will be joining my boycott that has been going on since the 90's. The reason off course being that trek bikes are teh suck (only Nickelback sucks more).

I would also like to take advantage of this opportunity to issue a press statement that I will also continue to boycott DW designs as I have done always in the past. For no other reason than the obvious fact that DW is a douchebag that acts as if he invented Gravity (so called Interdependent Attractor Phenomena also known as IAP) and being all around one man corporate marketing department.

p.s.: A little birdie told me that DW applied for a patent on HYPE (Horing Your Patent Examiner).
 
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norbar

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As much as I understand why some of you don't like dw and how the patent system is flawed hating on someone because he wants to patent his inventions is silly. Wait until someone robs you off an idea and talk afterwards. I'm angry because I can relate. Without patents it's hard to defend yourself.


Also it's not like DW's patents prevent other bikes from existing or make them worse so what's the problem?
 
S.K.C.

S.K.C.

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norbar said:
As much as I understand why some of you don't like dw and how the patent system is flawed hating on someone because he wants to patent his inventions is silly. Wait until someone robs you off an idea and talk afterwards. I'm angry because I can relate. Without patents it's hard to defend yourself.


Also it's not like DW's patents prevent other bikes from existing or make them worse so what's the problem?
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...you must be new here.

:D

Welcome to the internetz:

 
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Red dog

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Playing devils advocate. It could be paralell thinking. Or it could go so big they could make into a movie like the one about the intemitent windscreen wiper.:rolleyes:
 
William42

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All I have to say, is that i'm staking out a position and running it with my entire reputation on the line, regardless of facts!
 
William42

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Da Peach said:
I might be getting a Remedy to replace my MKIII.... I'm so conflicted!!!!!
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don't be. its a sweet bike, and you'll get to ride it.

And if trek did indeed screw dw, a portion of that bicycle will end up making its way to dw.
 
S.K.C.

S.K.C.

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William42 said:
All I have to say, is that i'm staking out a position and running it with my entire reputation on the line, regardless of facts!
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jonKranked said:
it seems fitting that this goes down right as i come back.

LANCE QUITS, DW SUES WISCONSIN, HAIL SATAN!!!
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HAHAHahaha...
:rofl:

Gentlemen, THIS ^ is how you internet.

UPDATE:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to William42 again
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UPDATE Part Deux:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jonKranked again.
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davec113

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There's prior art, I think it's f'in ridiculous on dw's part to "claim" an existing design as his own and invent reasons why it should be patented.

IMO, neither Trek nor DW should have been awarded a patent in the first place.

I do think Trek's implementation of a single pivot is the best.
 
bizutch

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Can't believe no one is tossing out a round of "got dissed" for the poor schmuck at Trek that brought the design to fruition and will get paid jack squat for having done it.

Nothing screams corporate swallowing like an employee who makes a new design and gets no residuals on it. :D

Pot....stirred.
 
dump

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Da Peach said:
I have to admit...the SB66 does look cooler...
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Definitely a cool looking bike. I have seen a bunch of mixed reviews on this frame - particularly for a bike that's positioned as the answer to all your biking needs. Seen lots for sale on the used market too.
 
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Jeremy R

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dump said:
Definitely a cool looking bike. I have seen a bunch of mixed reviews on this frame - particularly for a bike that's positioned as the answer to all your biking needs. Seen lots for sale on the used market too.
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You should ride one. Just wear something protective over your teeth to catch the bugs from all the smiling.
 
mtg

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bizutch said:
Can't believe no one is tossing out a round of "got dissed" for the poor schmuck at Trek that brought the design to fruition and will get paid jack squat for having done it.

Nothing screams corporate swallowing like an employee who makes a new design and gets no residuals on it. :D

Pot....stirred.
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Just about every design engineering job out there requires signing an agreement that anything an engineer invents, designs, etc is property of the employer.
In exchange, they pay the engineer a salary. As an engineer, you may be able to negotiate ownership of the IP you come up with, but I doubt many companies would pay a salary above minimum wage if the engineer owned the IP.
I have two patents pending from a job, and I won't get any residuals from them if they make it through the patent offices. However, I did get paid to develop the ideas.
 
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norbar

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mtg said:
Just about every design engineering job out there requires signing an agreement that anything an engineer invents, designs, etc is property of the employer.
In exchange, they pay the engineer a salary. As an engineer, you may be able to negotiate ownership of the IP you come up with, but I doubt many companies would pay a salary above minimum wage if the engineer owned the IP.
I have two patents pending from a job, and I won't get any residuals from them if they make it through the patent offices. However, I did get paid to develop the ideas.
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That's how it works. Kinda sad considering you get residuals even for a ****ty sitcom but if you invent something useful you get nada.
 
OGRipper

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norbar said:
That's how it works. Kinda sad considering you get residuals even for a ****ty sitcom but if you invent something useful you get nada.
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No. You get more than nada - you get a job.

If you are hired to design things, those things belong to your employer. If you don't like it, figure out another way to support yourself designing things. (Like DW.)

That's not to say some employers don't abuse the framework. (I'm looking at you, Specialized.)
 
Sandwich

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mtg said:
Just about every design engineering job out there requires signing an agreement that anything an engineer invents, designs, etc is property of the employer.
In exchange, they pay the engineer a salary. As an engineer, you may be able to negotiate ownership of the IP you come up with, but I doubt many companies would pay a salary above minimum wage if the engineer owned the IP.
I have two patents pending from a job, and I won't get any residuals from them if they make it through the patent offices. However, I did get paid to develop the ideas.
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but he was stirring the pot! Stir stir stir, pot pot pot.
 
norbar

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OGRipper said:
No. You get more than nada - you get a job.

If you are hired to design things, those things belong to your employer. If you don't like it, figure out another way to support yourself designing things. (Like DW.)

That's not to say some employers don't abuse the framework. (I'm looking at you, Specialized.)
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I'd take residuals over a steady job any day. You have residuals and you can work on other stuff instead of being chained to one job.
 
OGRipper

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norbar said:
I'd take residuals over a steady job any day. You have residuals and you can work on other stuff instead of being chained to one job.
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That's a choice you can make for yourself, and good luck to you. But the fact that so many people accept engineering jobs under this framework should tell you something - that it's a tough way to make a living.
 
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