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E13 three-ring guide?

MikeD

MikeD

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Anyone seen these for sale? Ethirteen guys, are they out yet? (I know, email works, but this isn't an *urgent* need for me, and I figure there might be others on this board who care to know...)

MD
 
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dw

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We havent had a huge interest in this product. Our test models have been in the field for over two years now, and so far results have been good, but we dont feel like the guide is up to the performance levels that WE expect, and so we are planning on pulling the model for 2005. The 3RS guides need to be set up pretty perfectly to work correctly. The 3RS may return later in the future if the market for this product grows and we are able to develop the product further to make installation and setup no-brainer simple for the average rider.

Dave
 
Mackie

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dw said:
we are planning on pulling the model for 2005
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Damn! :mad: :mad: :mad:
Now I need to buy another Heim to replace my toasted one. I guess the 4 or 5 emails i sent to John P were not enough to represent "huge interest" in the product..... guess i should have sent them under didfferent names or something :rolleyes:

Anyway, if you have any protos laying around, that you are looking to get rid of, let me know!
Thanks.
 
MikeD

MikeD

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dw said:
We havent had a huge interest in this product. Our test models have been in the field for over two years now, and so far results have been good, but we dont feel like the guide is up to the performance levels that WE expect, and so we are planning on pulling the model for 2005. The 3RS guides need to be set up pretty perfectly to work correctly. The 3RS may return later in the future if the market for this product grows and we are able to develop the product further to make installation and setup no-brainer simple for the average rider.

Dave
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If Spookydave can set it up, I know anyone can...! C'mon, I need one!

Looks like I'll get a Heim...thanks for the update. I can understand that there's not much demand for this sort of thing.

MD
 
Kntr

Kntr

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Ya I emailed and called them about it, too. I guess thats not enough either. There are a lot of people running Heims so I am possitive the 3RS would sell.

I have a spare Heim too if ya need one and new rollers. PM me. Im off RM for a week but Ill PM next week.
 
binary visions

binary visions

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Kanter said:
Ya I emailed and called them about it, too. I guess thats not enough either. There are a lot of people running Heims so I am possitive the 3RS would sell.
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That's really relative. There are a lot of people running DRS guides. Comparitively, there are a tiny amount of people running Heims, at least from what I've seen.

It's the same as the Intense shoes - just because you know twenty people who want the shoes, doesn't mean ten thousand pairs will sell. Along the same vein, just because five of your friends happen to have Heim guides doesn't mean everyone has five friends who run them.
 
Mackie

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dante said:
I'm confused, why isn't a 36/22 or a 38/24 DRS setup good enough? 3-ring guides were popular when it was just people with 22/32/42 cranks, but even so I rarely used the 42 to its potential...
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Actually, i was kind of hoping that i could do both.
My "trail" bike typically has a 34/24 set up on it with a bashguard. But every once in a while I take rides where the big ring is really appreciated. So I swap the bashguard out for a 44T big ring.

So the idea was to throw the 3RS on there, and have it work like a DRS for 90% of the time, but still be able to handle the third ring when i put that on. The Evil guys I talked to thought that this might work.
 
MikeD

MikeD

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dante said:
I'm confused, why isn't a 36/22 or a 38/24 DRS setup good enough? 3-ring guides were popular when it was just people with 22/32/42 cranks, but even so I rarely used the 42 to its potential...
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It's for a cross country bike..a full-on, real XC hardtail (or as close as I'll ever get...it has a 130mm stem, flat bars and bar-ends at least, even though it's more of a dual-slalom style frame), and I do use the big ring. I just have a tendency to lose chains when I ride through rough stuff. I've had several DRSs and loved them, but I just wanted a full spread on this bike.

MD
 
punkassean

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I think it's a silly product. If you want the chain retention, you will most likely want the protection of a basher as well. I also think that a well chosen 2-ring will work very well for 99% of situations (24-38~ish). The only reason most people use the big ring (off-road) is to keep tension on the chain during descents, why not remove it and shorten the chain for the same affect? You gain ground clearance and drive-train protection to boot!

Yay DRS...Boo 3RS!!! Good Riddance... :eviltongu
 
MikeD

MikeD

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punkassean said:
I think it's a silly product. If you want the chain retention, you will most likely want the protection of a basher as well.
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Why is there an inherent link between the two? Chain retention is a separate issue from the need for a bashguard. I just don't want my chain rattling off. Plus, I can buy a bashguard to cover the entire outer ring if it's really essential-I don't have to settle for a shorter gearing. (and I was hoping the 3rs in final form would actually have a thin 'rim-style' bashguard to fit outside the 44t.) It is amazing how vulnerable you feel without a bashguard once you're used to one (along with the added ground clearance), but that doesn't mean I don't need a big ring.

punkassean said:
I also think that a well chosen 2-ring will work very well for 99% of situations (24-38~ish).
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That combo works fine for me (and many others), but not on our XC bikes. Do you think pro XC riders should lost their big rings because you don't think it's necessary? Just because YOU don't want a 44t ring doesn't mean the rest of us care.

MD
 
punkassean

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MikeD said:
Why is there an inherent link between the two? Chain retention is a separate issue from the need for a bashguard. I just don't want my chain rattling off. Plus, I can buy a bashguard to cover the entire outer ring if it's really essential-I don't have to settle for a shorter gearing. (and I was hoping the 3rs in final form would actually have a thin 'rim-style' bashguard to fit outside the 44t.) It is amazing how vulnerable you feel without a bashguard once you're used to one (along with the added ground clearance), but that doesn't mean I don't need a big ring.

That combo works fine for me (and many others), but not on our XC bikes. Do you think pro XC riders should lost their big rings because you don't think it's necessary? Just because YOU don't want a 44t ring doesn't mean the rest of us care.

MD
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SPANDEX WEARING RACER WEENIE ALERT!!!!! :eviltongu

Don't make jib on you...or even worse I might be so inclined to PRONG on you!!!
















Yes, I know there is a small market for a 3RS, and those people would really appreciate this product. But really, the true "racer weenies" wouldn't touch it ("too heavy") and the "average joe" would be very happy with two well selected front chain-rings and a basher (18 speeds can be very adequate). I simplified my thoughts in my previous post, I figured most people would see that... :D
 
Cave Dweller

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MikeD said:
That combo works fine for me (and many others), but not on our XC bikes. Do you think pro XC riders should lost their big rings because you don't think it's necessary? Just because YOU don't want a 44t ring doesn't mean the rest of us care.

MD
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Most of the pro XC guys i have seen run a 24-38ish dual ring combo to save weight as they hardley ever get to use a 44 tooth.
 
punkassean

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Cave Dweller said:
Most of the pro XC guys i have seen run a 24-38ish dual ring combo to save weight as they hardley ever get to use a 44 tooth.
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I think the XC "2x9" setup is more like a ~30-42 or larger...

but yeah, Take that MikeD!
 
punkassean

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man that mikeD is a baaaaaaaad mutha...

SHUTCHYO MOUF!!!!

Hey man i'm just talkin' bout mikeD




Oh yeah by the way...

MikeD,

What's up witchya bad breath???
 
MikeD

MikeD

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Heh, thanks...onion rings was my first thought, of course, but I figured I'd be a little more creative.

Speaking of Paul's Boutique, I went through some of my pre-teen life being called "Clarence" by my big brother, and never understood why. My old 'location' tag used to read "running from the law, the press, and the parents...'

MD
 
punkassean

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MikeD said:
Heh, thanks...onion rings was my first thought, of course, but I figured I'd be a little more creative.

Speaking of Paul's Boutique, I went through some of my pre-teen life being called "Clarence" by my big brother, and never understood why. My old 'location' tag used to read "running from the law, the press, and the parents...'

MD
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I remember when your loc. read that.

so then are you shadrach, meshach or abednego?

I think meshach...
 
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