[ALEXIS_DH]

so, very touchy subject, i read an article on this a while ago, but recently it has popped into my mind.

say, there are areas were fertility is 5.5-6 children per woman, infant death rates sky high, widespread extreme poverty, and where iliteracy rates are equally sky high.

given limited resources, making virtually imposible to absorb the growth rate and provide education, heath care and infraestructure, the option of "more social spending" is not available.

what are your thoughts on giving economic incentives (or buying, whatever you wanna call it) to families who "freely" choose to go under the knife.

 

[LordOpie]

sounds good to me. What's the problem?

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

sounds good to me. What's the problem?

people who think you are buying the poor´s right to breed.

and those who have an issue with "decreasing poverty by decreasing the poor".

 

[ohio]

There was a woman in the US that was giving crack-addicted women $100 cash and paying to have their tubes tied.

It's borderline eugenics and pretty reprehensible. But then again, it was in the US where we SHOULD have the resources to find a different (and maybe more organic) solution to crack-babies.

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

There was a woman in the US that was giving crack-addicted women $100 cash and paying to have their tubes tied.

It's borderline eugenics and pretty reprehensible. But then again, it was in the US where we SHOULD have the resources to find a different (and maybe more organic) solution to crack-babies.

say you dont make it targeted, but rather (for pc sake) open, give the incentive to all families who undergo the surgery, regardless socio-economic status?

what if you dont ask actively (like the woman who was actively looking for crackheads) but rather make an offer open to those who voluntary approach a hospital?

what if you offer vasectomies, and tube tiying for free? what if you offer free transportation to and from the hospital for the procedure? what if you offer to compesate for the lost wages for post-op?
how much retribution would be allowed before you step into eugenics?
or is it fundamentally wrong to offer any incentive in exchange or otherwise ?

 

[BuddhaRoadkill]

Large economic incentives to those who sterilize before any kids.
Small economic incentives to those who sterilize after one kid.
Mandatory sterilization after two kids ... everywhere!
100% State funded abortions.
Decriminalization of suicide, hell ... state operated euthanasia clinics.

Overpopulation is the mother of all other issues.

What we really need is a reversible way to sterilize children at birth.
Breeding should be a privilege, not a right. [Riddled with moral issues, I know .. but nice in theory]

 

[LordOpie]

with all due respect to the targeted group -- those who 'accidentally' have too many kids and those on drugs who can't make rational decisions -- phuck 'em.

You're not forcing anyone to be sterilized, but if they choose it voluntarily for a little bit of money, then fine by me.

 

[LordOpie]

Mandatory sterilization after two kids ... everywhere!

Disagree vehemently. I might want three kids, I can afford the money, time and love for my three kids and don't want anyone telling me I can't.

What we really need is a reversible way to sterilize children at birth.
Breeding should be a privilege, not a right. [Riddled with moral issues, I know .. but nice in theory]

good idea.

 

[Ciaran]

Brave New World?

 

[Zark]

Turn crack babies of the U.S. into meals for developing countries starving children...Mmm Soilent baby food

 

[jimmydean]

Disagree vehemently. I might want three kids, I can afford the money, time and love for my three kids and don't want anyone telling me I can't.

You want 3 kids? Birth 2, adopt one. Problem solved

 

[LordOpie]

You want 3 kids? Birth 2, adopt one. Problem solved

Good idea except I want a jewish baby. not that I've explored the adoption process, but I just get the feeling jewish babies are harder to come by.

 

[ohio]

Good idea except I want a jewish baby. not that I've explored the adoption process, but I just get the feeling jewish babies are harder to come by.

Uh, you raise a kid Jewish and he/she's Jewish.

 

[ummbikes]

Good idea except I want a jewish baby. not that I've explored the adoption process, but I just get the feeling jewish babies are harder to come by.

It's pretty much just Chinese females or abused American children any more. :evil:

 

[Westy]

Just sneak in additives to crack that make people sterile. Same thing with McDonalds and popcorn served at the new Larry the Cable Guy movie.

 

[LordOpie]

Uh, you raise a kid Jewish and he/she's Jewish.

Tell that to my ex-girlfriend. She wanted to join a conservative temple and cuz her mom wasn't jewish, eventho she was raised "more" jewish than me, she had to convert.

The point is, everyone has their reasons, right or wrong, for wanting their own blood children.

 

[Zark]

How about a little social darwinism?
Don't pass the IQ test, get the snip.

horrible I know, but better than watching billions starve globally when our space rock can't support our numbers

 

[ohio]

How about a little social darwinism?
Don't pass the IQ test, get the snip.

But IQ tests are culturally biased against stupid people.

 

[ohio]

The point is, everyone has their reasons, right or wrong, for wanting their own blood children.

That I would agree with. But I see that as a separate issue to wanting to raise Jewish children.

I want to make my own because my genes ****ing rule and the world will be lucky to get as much of them as possible.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Overpopulation isnt a problem. When overpopulation IS a problem, the problem will take care of itself in the form of mass starvation and war over resources. No need to pre-empt that. Let nature take its course.

 

[Ciaran]

Let nature take its course.

Why? We've tried to manipulate it almost any way we can already. Maybe we can do something to prevent overpopulation before we really get there.

We should all help out. Everyone here should donate a buck to get BS a vasectomy!

 

[BurlyShirley]

Offer me some economic incentives, and we'll talk. Not just "free vasectomy" I want. No taxes or Free School or hell, something...

 

[ohio]

Offer me some economic incentives, and we'll talk. Not just "free vasectomy" I want. No taxes or Free School or hell, something...

I'll give you $100 to go get a vasectomy right now (they're not reversible, right?).

 

[BurlyShirley]

I'll give you $100 to go get a vasectomy right now (they're not reversible, right?).

Does that inclued the cost of the vasectomy?

 

[ALEXIS_DH]

Overpopulation isnt a problem. When overpopulation IS a problem, the problem will take care of itself in the form of mass starvation and war over resources. No need to pre-empt that. Let nature take its course.

yeah dude, doesnt such much for you and your closed borders... but that sucks for those, like me, who are stuck here watching that happen in your nose. some super-breeder pesky f.ers woke me up today.

there was a little riot (200 people) of public school teachers in front of my house today, actually that kinda brought the idea of this thread... the cops came with the apc and trucks to keep them from trashing everything. of course i invited them soda and sandwiches for being nice and keeping my house from getting painted and to kick those pesky mofos who think my garden is a public park, and take sits, leave their trash for me to pickup (deep inside the bushes nonetheless), and cut out of shape, to steal branches to take home, my pretty trees and bushes that are cut like cute spheres and cones......

goddamit communist protestors, bitching about getting more stuff for free, trashing my house, kicking my doors, making noise and breaking my god-given right to sleep until noon on my day off......
rant over

 

[manimal]

yeah dude, doesnt such much for you and your closed borders... but that sucks for those, like me, who are stuck here watching that happen in your nose. some super-breeder pesky f.ers woke me up today.

there was a little riot (200 people) of public school teachers in front of my house today, actually that kinda brought the idea of this thread... the cops came with the apc and trucks to keep them from trashing everything. of course i invited them soda and sandwiches for being nice and keeping my house from getting painted and to kick those pesky mofos who think my garden is a public park, and take sits, leave their trash for me to pickup (deep inside the bushes nonetheless), and cut out of shape, to steal branches to take home, my pretty trees and bushes that are cut like cute spheres and cones......

goddamit communist protestors, bitching about getting more stuff for free, trashing my house, kicking my doors, making noise and breaking my god-given right to sleep until noon on my day off......
rant over

dude...pipe bombs are easy to make and i doubt anyone would be very pissed if you lobbed a few into that crowd...heck, you might even get a medal.

BS - my vasectomy only cost a $20 copay

 

[MudGrrl]

did anyone catch Family Guy?

 

[fluff]

They are free in the UK. Isn't having fewer mouths to feed an economic incentive anyway?

 

[LordOpie]

did anyone catch Family Guy?

"My nuts! My nuts!"
...
"Owwwwwww my nuts!"

 

[The Amish]

people who think you are buying the poor´s right to breed.

and those who have an issue with "decreasing poverty by decreasing the poor".

You already do in the form of a welfare check. The poor will never go for it, why trade a monthly income for a onetime lump sum

 

[LordOpie]

You already do in the form of a welfare check. The poor will never go for it, why trade a monthly income for a onetime lump sum

This is the idiotic poor we're talking about, they won't think about the time value of money.