[Slugman]

Percentage of the population (per state) with a bachelors degree or higher, and how they voted (based on data from http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_101612.htm and the map coverage on MSNBC)

(X) Dist. of Columbia 44.4% Kerry
1 Maryland 37.6% Kerry
2 Colorado 35.7% Bush
3 Virginia 34.6% Bush
4 Massachusetts 34.3% Kerry
5 Connecticut 32.6% Kerry
6 New Jersey 31.4% Kerry
7 Vermont 30.8% Kerry
8 Minnesota 30.5% Kerry
9 New Hampshire 30.1% TBD
9 Rhode Island 30.1% Kerry
11 Delaware 29.5% Kerry
12 Kansas 29.1% Bush
13 New York 28.8% Kerry
14 Washington 28.3% Kerry
15 California 27.9% Kerry
16 Illinois 27.3% Kerry
17 Nebraska 27.1% Bush
17 Oregon 27.1% Kerry
19 Hawaii 26.8% Kerry
19 Utah 26.8% Bush
21 Missouri 26.7% Bush
22 Arizona 26.3% Bush
23 Texas 26.2% Bush
24 Pennsylvania 26.1% Kerry
25 Florida 25.7% Bush
26 Alaska 25.6% Bush
27 New Mexico 25.4% TBD
28 North Dakota 25.3% Bush
29 Georgia 25.0% Bush
30 Wisconsin 24.7% TBD
31 Ohio 24.5% Bush
32 Maine 23.8% Kerry
33 Indiana 23.7% Bush
34 Montana 23.6% Bush
34 South Dakota 23.6% Bush
36 South Carolina 23.3% Bush
37 Iowa 23.1% TBD
38 Alabama 22.7% Bush
39 Michigan 22.5% Kerry
40 North Carolina 22.4% Bush
41 Louisiana 22.1% Bush
41 Nevada 22.1% Bush
43 Kentucky 21.6% Bush
44 Tennessee 21.5% Bush
45 Idaho 20.9% Bush
45 Mississippi 20.9% Bush
47 Oklahoma 20.4% Bush
48 Wyoming 19.6% Bush
49 Arkansas 18.3% Bush
50 West Virginia 15.9% Bush

Draw your own conclusions :devil:

 

[chicodude]

Bush Plays to the LCD......What's new?

 

[Toshi]

it would be nice to have a breakdown by stated religious affiliation/devoutness too

 

[BurlyShirley]

You mean that those who arent warped by the liberal universities are voting bush?

 

[-dustin]

i'd like to see a population of city/ how they voted breakdown.

 

[zod]

I have a degree, I just didn't let my college professors brainwash me................as Burly said. Some of us go to college to receive an education not an identity.

 

[Toshi]

um, how do universities "warp" and "brainwash"? please provide concrete examples. circular reasoning about the voting patterns is not sufficient.

 

[BurlyShirley]

um, how do universities "warp" and "brainwash"? please provide concrete examples. circular reasoning about the voting patterns is not sufficient.

Toshi, do you claim that universities in general are not liberal?
Do you claim that people have the exact points of view going in as coming out?
Do you feel that professors do not make impressions on their students?

 

[N8 v2.0]

Check this site:
http://www.usatoday.com/

Click on "Voter demographics" under Election Coverage on the left-hand side.

 

[Damn True]

i'd like to see a population of city/ how they voted breakdown.

NY, Philli, Boston, LA, SF - Kerry

Damn near everything else - Bush

 

[N8 v2.0]

NY, Philli, Boston, LA, SF - Kerry

Damn near everything else - Bush

Yep... you'd think the liberal elite would get it...

 

[Damn True]

The yuppie-fication of the left has abandoned the people who make this country work.
Those folks got pissed and voted the other way.

Seems pretty smart to me....even if they don't all have degrees.

 

[Silver]

The yuppie-fication of the left has abandoned the people who make this country work.
Those folks got pissed and voted the other way.

Seems pretty smart to me....even if they don't all have degrees.

The funny thing is that those people who "make the country work" are going to be bitchslapped something fierce by a global economy, and tax cuts for me aren't going to help them.

I guess I should be grateful, eh?

 

[Toshi]

Toshi, do you claim that universities in general are not liberal?
Do you claim that people have the exact points of view going in as coming out?
Do you feel that professors do not make impressions on their students?

universities have the full range of opinions. one thing that everyone is united on is science, however, so you generally don't see creationist nutjobs (who attempt to rewrite reality according to their religious beliefs), altho you can find many scientists who retain their faith by separating the realm of the scientific and the spiritual. does this mean that everyone is a liberal? no: at least at my school the campus democrats and campus republicans both had strong participation. libertarians were underrepresented, sadly . i enjoyed heckling the democrats and republicans both, especially the democrats with my "wasted" vote for nader in 2000. as for the faculty, they'd rant to the class about their own pet issues, biochem people about the ban on stem cell research, but it wasn't like they were telling all the girls to get abortions or some such.

so generally i'd say no, the campus is a neutral place. the fact that science and the scientific method are accepted widely does lead to certain aspects being more "liberal", such as in stem cell research, the pushing of condom usage to prevent disease, disdain for creationists, to name a few topics.

is this brainwashing? i don't think so. nothing is or should be pushed on students as a matter of faith or blind acceptance. rather the profs make their case and the students decide on their own. do they present each side with equal vigor? no. but a critically minded student is expected to USE HIS OWN HEAD even when reading, say, an article in Nature, so expecting him to evaluate his profs' viewpoints similarly is not too much of a stretch imo.

interestingly, med school is a much more liberal place. you're expected to be in favor of nationalized health care, for one. and the profs often would make anti-bush jabs. undergrad wasn't this way tho.

 

[Damn True]

universities have the full range of opinions. one thing that everyone is united on is science, however, so you generally don't see creationist nutjobs (who attempt to rewrite reality according to their religious beliefs), altho you can find many scientists who retain their faith by separating the realm of the scientific and the spiritual. does this mean that everyone is a liberal? no: at least at my school the campus democrats and campus republicans both had strong participation. libertarians were underrepresented, sadly . i enjoyed heckling the democrats and republicans both, especially the democrats with my "wasted" vote for nader in 2000. as for the faculty, they'd rant to the class about their own pet issues, biochem people about the ban on stem cell research, but it wasn't like they were telling all the girls to get abortions or some such.

so generally i'd say no, the campus is a neutral place. the fact that science and the scientific method are accepted widely does lead to certain aspects being more "liberal", such as in stem cell research, the pushing of condom usage to prevent disease, disdain for creationists, to name a few topics.

is this brainwashing? i don't think so. nothing is or should be pushed on students as a matter of faith or blind acceptance. rather the profs make their case and the students decide on their own. do they present each side with equal vigor? no. but a critically minded student is expected to USE HIS OWN HEAD even when reading, say, an article in Nature, so expecting him to evaluate his profs' viewpoints similarly is not too much of a stretch imo.

interestingly, med school is a much more liberal place. you're expected to be in favor of nationalized health care, for one. and the profs often would make anti-bush jabs. undergrad wasn't this way tho.

You must admit though that the faculties of US Universities are overwhelmingly left.

 

[BurlyShirley]

Well,
I can think of a ton of PC type issues that would never occur in a regular community, as they do on my campus (which is in east TN fer chrissakes) and more liberal causes than you can shake a stick at. University seems to be a hotbed for such things. Now, Bush did win the popular vote on campus here, but I assure you it was much to the disdain of just about every professor Ive talked to. My books are FILLED with left leaning propaganda, seriously.

 

[Silver]

What liberal causes, pray tell?

 

[BurlyShirley]

What liberal causes, pray tell?

Hell, there's always a gay pride march or a feminist rally or a save the planet from certain destruction at the hands of GWB get-together or a hackey sack game or some **** going on.

 

[Silver]

Hell, there's always a gay pride march or a feminist rally or a save the planet from certain destruction at the hands of GWB get-together or a hackey sack game or some **** going on.

So, in the 60's you would have been bitching about the civil rights movement too, I imagine?

 

[Damn True]

So, in the 60's you would have been bitching about the civil rights movement too, I imagine?

Segregation isn't a bad thing. It means more water fountains for everyone.


I AM SOOOOOO JOKING

 

[BurlyShirley]

So, in the 60's you would have been bitching about the civil rights movement too, I imagine?

Dude, I dont know what Id have been like in the 60s...I can tell you that I am glad that happened now, but honestly, how am I supposed to answer that? I can only take in what I see and make a decision off what I feel is right.

 

[Silver]

Dude, I dont know what Id have been like in the 60s...I can tell you that I am glad that happened now, but honestly, how am I supposed to answer that? I can only take in what I see and make a decision off what I feel is right.

So how are you going to feel in 50 years when homosexuals aren't vilified anymore? (I hope...a lot of the first world is further along than we are, and we seem to be going backwards.) Are you going to be the old crank in the nursing home muttering about how great the country was until all them damn women and negroes started voting?

 

[BurlyShirley]

So how are you going to feel in 50 years when homosexuals aren't vilified anymore?

Are they villified?
I dont even have an issue with homosexuals.
I have an issue with the idea of same sex marriage, but its not because I hate homosexuals or anything.
The idea of "gay pride" marches I find a little pointless because we already have legislation that protects gays. Makes about as much sense as a straight pride march really (which would be wrong of course )
I dont see where Im in the wrong here...

 

[Silver]

You missed the talk about amending the constitution, I guess?

It doesn't affect us, we aren't gay. I imagine it sucks to be gay right now though. Especially if your partner is ill, and his family doesn't like/approve of you.

 

[BurlyShirley]

You missed the talk about amending the constitution, I guess?

It doesn't affect us, we aren't gay. I imagine it sucks to be gay right now though. Especially if your partner is ill, and his family doesn't like/approve of you.

Civil Unions: sure

But they should be allowed for more than just gay people. I have friends I trust more than my parents.

 

[Echo]

Breaking it down by state is completely invalid.

Break it down by counties and see if this weak ass arguement holds water.

Kerry won NY by getting the votes of uneducated poor people in NYC. Kerry took PA by getting the votes of uneducated poor people in Philly. And so on.

 

[Silver]

Civil Unions: sure

But they should be allowed for more than just gay people. I have friends I trust more than my parents.

Sure.

A reasonable position such as that gets nowhere though, once the fundamentalists start screaming about God's wrath coming down on us for not stoning the faggots.

More to follow on this, I'm sure.

 

[Silver]

Breaking it down by state is completely invalid.

Break it down by counties and see if this weak ass arguement holds water.

Kerry won NY by getting the votes of uneducated poor people in NYC. Kerry took PA by getting the votes of uneducated poor people in Philly. And so on.

Why doesn't that make sense? If I was poor, I sure as hell wouldn't be voting Republican. I like to at least have someone buy me dinner before they fvck me

 

[Echo]

Why doesn't that make sense? If I was poor, I sure as hell wouldn't be voting Republican. I like to at least have someone buy me dinner before they fvck me

I realize that this thread got completely derailed, but my post was in reference to the insinuation in the beginning of the thread that people with higher education voted for Kerry, which is ludicrous.

 

[Damn True]

I realize that this thread got completely derailed, but my post was in reference to the insinuation in the beginning of the thread that people with higher education voted for Kerry, which is ludicrous.

Thank you.

 

[Silver]

Look at the bottom ten states

Derailed threads are sometimes the best ones.

 

[Ridemonkey]

You must admit though that the faculties of US Universities are overwhelmingly left.

Have you thought about why that is?

 

[Ridemonkey]

Hell, there's always a gay pride march or a feminist rally or a save the planet from certain destruction at the hands of GWB get-together or a hackey sack game or some **** going on.

Hmm - I don't remember that being part of any of my sicence or engineering classes....

 

[Ridemonkey]

I realize that this thread got completely derailed, but my post was in reference to the insinuation in the beginning of the thread that people with higher education voted for Kerry, which is ludicrous.

Hmm, don't agree with ya on that one...

 

[Damn True]

Have you thought about why that is?

Largely because academia is so far from the real world that idealism can flourish unfettered by truth?

 

[Echo]

Hmm, don't agree with ya on that one...

Understand - I'm not saying "intelligent people voted for Bush" or "intelligent people didn't vote for Kerry". I know of many educated and intelligent people who voted for Kerry.

I'm just saying that the statistic in the first post of this thread is seriously flawed, and I explained why.

 

[Ridemonkey]

Largely because academia is so far from the real world that idealism can flourish unfettered by truth?

The best professors of science and engineering have extensive backgrounds in business and politics. What about them?

 

[Ridemonkey]

Understand - I'm not saying "intelligent people voted for Bush" or "intelligent people didn't vote for Kerry". I know of many educated and intelligent people who voted for Kerry.

I'm just saying that the statistic in the first post of this thread is seriously flawed, and I explained why.

There is a clear pattern displayed by the map. Something must explain it, so if not education, then what? Jesus freakery?

 

[-dustin]

NY, Philli, Boston, LA, SF - Kerry

Damn near everything else - Bush

you think there's any correlation between population of city, and whether they voted red or blue? i know austin was blue.

 

[Jr_Bullit]

I find the USA today statistics that were posted far more interesting - not because they indicated educated versus non- actually they were pretty down the middle there - but because of the religious side.

Since neither of the candidates are exactly what I would call one step away from god - why do religious christian zealots feel bush represents them?