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stevew

unique white person
Sep 21, 2001
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wear sandwich boards in public with "i have autism, please don't kick the ever living sh!t out of me. thanks."
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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Another case of "shoot first, ask questions later"
so you seem to think the cops just rolled up & sparked him - no questions asked? i don't see it that way

maybe the thread should be re-titled "various long standing & highly unlikely to be overturned police policies lead to unwarranted tazing of 0.0004% of citizenry; and they are so terribly sorry"

but i think there's a character limit in play
 

kidwoo

Celebrating No-Pants Day
Aug 25, 2003
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In my pants
so you seem to think the cops just rolled up & sparked him - no questions asked? i don't see it that way
No he was probably singing "peanut butter jelly time" at full volume and clapping with his ring fingers but so what?

What "long standing policies" are you even talking about? Being a dick to someone who looks like they've got a concussion?
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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No he was probably singing "peanut butter jelly time" at full volume and clapping with his ring fingers but so what?

What "long standing policies" are you even talking about? Being a dick to someone who looks like they've got a concussion?
you want canadian police response, go set alight a toronto star newsstand.

this is the usa, bitch; 1 plunger fits all
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Anyone want to place bets on # of black autistics jump-started by the popo vs. white autistics?
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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Anyone want to place bets on # of black autistics jump-started by the popo vs. white autistics?
more blacks, b/c they get their kids vaccinated at the free clinic, which is used by whitey to get rid of excess thimerosal

it's a modern day tuskegee experiment
 

MMike

A fowl peckerwood.
Sep 5, 2001
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just sittin' here drinkin' scotch
And not that it matters much, but I have been been told that the "politically correct" way to say it is "a person with autism", rather than being autistic. Like you would not say that someone who has cancer is cancerous.

I doubt this will change your day to day life....but as I said, I was recently corrected.
 

sanjuro

Tube Smuggler
Sep 13, 2004
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Uh, it seems the crime is being black and autistic.

So you'll be safe mmike, since you only half qualify...
 

rockofullr

confused
Jun 11, 2009
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Can we just get an F the police sticky?

I feel like we are beating a dead horse (or dead black guy if your a cop) with all these popo threads.
 

MMike

A fowl peckerwood.
Sep 5, 2001
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Intersting comment from the facebook

Jack Dixon
As a father of two teenage autistic boys who has been a law enforcement and security training consultant for 25 years I'm aware of the lack of exposure concerning the use of force training and autism. Traditional control techniques match or allow a officer a prescribed department approved additional level of control. The main problem is that ... See Moreofficers should adopt a use of force policy more in line with the medical communities patient management policies once a autistic citizen has been identified. Like the general public most officers don't know what autism is or behaviors to look for. I designed a autism training program for both law enforcement and more importantly the lesser trained security personnel in our malls, amusement parks and public transportation. As the special needs population grows and we increasing try to expose our children to more social setting we have to provide officers the tools and training to keep everyone safe and secure.
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$tinkle

Expert on blowing
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*two* teenage autistic boys, and involved w/ law enforcement? no way that guy's still married
 

MMike

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Sep 5, 2001
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I really do hope the cops get their asses handed to them. (We all know they won't)

But the impact something like this can have on someone with autism is pretty profound....way beyond beating up your regular run of the mill black dude.
 

$tinkle

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I really do hope the cops get their asses handed to them. (We all know they won't)
in an age where an infirmed old woman can be tazed in her bed, not bloody likely
But the impact something like this can have on someone with autism is pretty profound....way beyond beating up your regular run of the mill black dude.
how so? like trust issues, or intensified pathology?
 

dante

Unabomber
Feb 13, 2004
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You know, it would be very, very helpful for all involved if the people involved if those with autism had some way of communicating to the rest of the world that they had a disability. Since they're obviously not very communicative, maybe a symbol could be used to designate it. Then all of those with autism could have it sown into their clothing, so that the rest of us can be fully aware......
 

2gungho

Monkey
Sep 15, 2009
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Apparently none of you have ever been exposed to violent crime or lived in the inner city.

The day a Police Officer second guesses herself or himself they will lay dead in a casket. It is war in the cities, and if your on the southwest it's only going to get worse. The cops in Mexico and some are not dirty are getting killed en mass.
 

Silver

find me a tampon
Jul 20, 2002
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Apparently none of you have ever been exposed to violent crime or lived in the inner city.

The day a Police Officer second guesses herself or himself they will lay dead in a casket. It is war in the cities, and if your on the southwest it's only going to get worse. The cops in Mexico and some are not dirty are getting killed en mass.
Thanks for the strawman, do not care. Autistic kids not getting tortured is more important to me than a police officer pissing himself.
 

RaindogT

Monkey
Dec 22, 2005
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Apparently none of you have ever been exposed to violent crime or lived in the inner city.

The day a Police Officer second guesses herself or himself they will lay dead in a casket. It is war in the cities, and if your on the southwest it's only going to get worse. The cops in Mexico and some are not dirty are getting killed en mass.

Again, thanks for the strawman-- but this is not mexico in question-- look at demographics: (of the first example in the article) ~95% white, median house income of about 60K, property values about 3 times the rest of GA..... Sure sounds like those cops are dealing with a sh!tstorm of live or die decisions on a day to day basis..... Much like the cops in my city-- (82% white, median income 70K, and higher prop. values than many places....) Most of our cops are fat, out of shape, and couldn't outrun a riding mower in reverse.
 

MMike

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Most of our cops are fat, out of shape, and couldn't outrun a riding mower in reverse.
manimal blames it on the equipment he has to carry.

And seriously....I don't give a **** about a cop making "life or death decisions"....A kid sitting on a bench "acting weird". Cop did get the answer he wanted so he kicked the kid's ass. Taught him a great lesson. had he left the kid alone, nothing would have happened. He hassled the kid. Kid got scared and it escalated. Totally the cop's fault.

And at the risk of exaggeration...and maybe I am...but the level to which that kid could be traumatized....could potentially be equivalent to the harm a pedophile could do to a "neuro-typical" (politically correct for "normal") kid. what that cop did was really really really really really really really bad. And yes I am biased, but in my mind that cop is no better than a pedophile.
 
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MMike

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in an age where an infirmed old woman can be tazed in her bed, not bloody likely
how so? like trust issues, or intensified pathology?
Pretty much. Temple Grandin (who has autism) describes their learning as rather..."primal". The example she used was if a horse is being led into a trailer for the first time, and he stumbles on the way in, generally the horse will be freaked out for life by trailers and you'll never get them into that kind of trailer again. A bad experience has been associated with that trailer.

Similarly with people with autism. Now I'm not going to purport to be an expert on this. And it is obviously case by case. But if that kid was sitting there stimming enough to attract a cop's attention, obviously he was intimidated by the cop and likley would have shut down, wanting to be left alone. It is conceivable...I'm not going to say "likely"....but it is plausible he will now associate, that bench....or cheeseburgers.....or leaving home with that experience, and it could stay with him for who knows how long.

People with autism have a hard enough time coping with just every day surroundings....crowded rooms, noisy traffic etc. So someone who is just sitting there minding there own business and out of nowhere (in their view) gets attacked and injured by a cop, and they have no idea why it's happening to them? I know I'm raving a little but I'm somewhat livid about this....
 
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MMike

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This is the real thing she said:

http://www.grandin.com/references/thinking.animals.html

Associative Thinking
A horse trainer once said to me, "Animals don't think, they just make associations." I responded to that by saying, "If making associations is not thinking, then I would have to conclude that I do not think." People with autism and animals both think by making visual associations. These associations are like snapshots of events and tend to be very specific. For example, a horse might fear bearded me n when it sees one in the barn, but bearded men might be tolerated in the riding arena. In this situation the horse may only fear bearded men in the barn because he may have had a bad past experience in the barn with a bearded man.

Animals also tend to make place-specific associations. This means that if a horse has bad prior experiences in a barn with skylights, he may fear all barns with skylights but will be fine in barns with solid roofs. This is why it is so important that an a nimal's first association with something new is a good first experience.

Years ago a scientist named N. Miller found that if a rat was shocked the first time it entered a new passageway in a maze, it would never enter that passageway again. The same may be true for horses. For example, if a horse falls down in a trailer the fi rst time he loads, he may fear all trailers. However, if he falls down in a two-horse, side-by-side trailer the 25th time he is loaded, he may make a more specific association. Instead of associating all trailers with a painful or frightening experience, he is more likely to fear side-by-side trailers, or fear a certain person associated with the "bad" trailer. He has learned from previous experience that trailers are safe, so he is unlikely to form a generalized trailer fear.
Fear Is the Main Emotion
Fear is the main emotion in autism and it is also the main emotion in prey animals such as horses and cattle. Things that scare horses and cattle also scare children with autism. Any little thing that looks out of place, such as a piece of paper blowing i n the wind, may cause fear. Objects that make sudden movements are the most fear-provoking. In the wild, sudden movement is feared because predators make sudden movements.

Both animals and people with autism are also fearful of high-pitched noises. I still have problems with high-pitched noise. A back-up alarm on a garbage truck will cause my heart to race if it awakens me at night. The rumble of thunder has little effect. Prey species animals, such as cattle and horses, have sensitive ears, and loud noise may hurt their ears. When I was a child the sound of the school bell ringing was like a dentist drill in my ear. A loudspeaker system at a horse show may possibly have a similar effect on horses.
 

$tinkle

Expert on blowing
Feb 12, 2003
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maybe the police should learn the difference between stacking & flapping?
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
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Japan
This stuff is all just the inevitable result of the police policy of "if in doubt, escalate". In Western Australia the police union wanted the force to institute a policy of mandatory handcuffing of all people being detained by police. The police commissioner rejected the idea saying that removing the discretion of police officers to decide for themselves whether some one needs handcuffing will cause Western Australian police to become more like Americans.
In Japan, for all their faults, the police will talk with someone for literally hours to defuse a situation without violence. That's how it should be, is it not? Best weapon is the gift of the gab.
 

Upgr8r

High Priest or maybe Jedi Master
May 2, 2006
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Another case of "shoot first, ask questions later"
This stuff is all just the inevitable result of the police policy of "if in doubt, escalate". In Western Australia the police union wanted the force to institute a policy of mandatory handcuffing of all people being detained by police. The police commissioner rejected the idea saying that removing the discretion of police officers to decide for themselves whether some one needs handcuffing will cause Western Australian police to become more like Americans.
In Japan, for all their faults, the police will talk with someone for literally hours to defuse a situation without violence. That's how it should be, is it not? Best weapon is the gift of the gab.
Thanks VB, this is what I meant
 

valve bouncer

Master Dildoist
Feb 11, 2002
7,791
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Japan
Here's some more bad cop action:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/14/new-orleans-police-plead-not-guilty_n_646746.html

The more I hear about this case the worse it sounds. Have the cops even given any reason why they started shooting people?
Look it's clear here that the lack of video doesn't tell the whole story. If you were those cops on that day and *those* people were trying to cross that bridge what would you have done? I'd have shot indiscriminately too. You weren't there man, you don't know what those guys had seen. Those limp-wristed, thimble-cocked, roll over and take-it-up-the-rear-passage liberals would have stood there and given them lollipops or some other kind of food.
 

rockofullr

confused
Jun 11, 2009
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Look it's clear here that the lack of video doesn't tell the whole story. If you were those cops on that day and *those* people were trying to cross that bridge what would you have done? I'd have shot indiscriminately too. You weren't there man, you don't know what those guys had seen. Those limp-wristed, thimble-cocked, roll over and take-it-up-the-rear-passage liberals would have stood there and given them lollipops or some other kind of food.
Well I guess the retarded guy was prolly askin for it.
 

manimal

Ociffer Tackleberry
Feb 27, 2002
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cool...so now we have to be a psychiatrist too! :thumb: :rolleyes:

add that to the 50 hats the public expects us to wear.

-social worker
-marriage counselor
-track star
-competitive level shooter
-EMT
-Hazmat specialist
-Lawyer
-Bomb technician
-Juvenile counselor
-Admin clerk
-Professional driver
-Public punching bag
-Defensive tactics specialist
-........................................................

all for about half of what a good truck driver can make! who wouldn't want this job!

for the record: an autistic person can whoop your ass just as bad as someone without a social/mental handicap.