Eff da po-lice some more
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I still giggle when I drive by one, there is only a few around here.
You'll love the chain we have around here then.
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4x: you clear of the chaos or have all the violence boxes rolling around?
Yeah I probably let this play like a dozen times before I stopped it (sound on)
relax nick, it's in spain
relax nick, it's in spain
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good aim too.
You can tell by the throwing form. Americans know how to throw things, Yurupeons know how to kick.relax nick, it's in spain
I live in a good area, and honestly everything you will see in the news is a couple blocks, not the whole city is burning b.s. everyone likes to claim.
So, just like when "ANTIFA" was burning Portland to the ground.
I am still rebuilding from the smoking ashes in Seattle.
People pay for this
www.vice.com
Baltimore Cops Carried Toy Guns to Plant on People They Shot, Trial Reveals
One officer involved in the city's massive corruption scandal said officers kept the replicas "in case we accidentally hit somebody or got into a shootout, so we could plant them."
www.vice.com
Jesus christ.People pay for this
Baltimore Cops Carried Toy Guns to Plant on People They Shot, Trial Reveals
One officer involved in the city's massive corruption scandal said officers kept the replicas "in case we accidentally hit somebody or got into a shootout, so we could plant them."
"went nuts"
hooboy, wait till you see what happens with non cop murdering protesters and CS gas in 2020 and 2021
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Video: Chicago boy wasn't holding gun when shot by officer
Disturbing bodycam video shows a 13-year-old boy appearing to drop a handgun and begin raising his hands less than a second before a Chicago police officer shoots and kills him
abcnews.go.com
Well the cop already had his gun out and once you have your gun out you have to shoot to kill because derp derp and extra derp and youre stupid if you dont know that because stuff and plus stuff
joseph franco
Brooklyn DA Will Purge 90 Convictions Involving An Indicted Detective, With 100 More Expected In Manhattan
The Manhattan DA's sweeping move, once enacted, will represent one of the largest conviction purges in state history.
champ.gothamist.com
"he shouldn't have complied?"Video: Chicago boy wasn't holding gun when shot by officer
Disturbing bodycam video shows a 13-year-old boy appearing to drop a handgun and begin raising his hands less than a second before a Chicago police officer shoots and kills him
cops choose their favorite gun wielders
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/16/us-police-officers-public-officials-crowdfunding-website-data-breach
the notes added to the donations........
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/16/us-police-officers-public-officials-crowdfunding-website-data-breach
the notes added to the donations........
(I know better. I fucking knwo better to think we'll have an actual debate on this ... fucking heck anyway...)
The 13 year old was a kid, he's a child. he's a known gang member with a gun, 13 years old in the streets at 3am. the cops were responding to shots fired and found not only him but another armed suspect AT the scene of shots fired. he ran, only stopped when he could not get away and tossed the gun within a second of being shot.
What would you guys have had that cop do? Should he have waited to see if the kid shot at him first?
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We have the luxury of armchair quarterbacking this. That cop didn't.
I don't want to see anybody killed, certainly not a 13 year old fucking child. But at least debate the facts.
What do you believe you'd have done if you were in the cops position? What if you were in the kids position?
The 13 year old was a kid, he's a child. he's a known gang member with a gun, 13 years old in the streets at 3am. the cops were responding to shots fired and found not only him but another armed suspect AT the scene of shots fired. he ran, only stopped when he could not get away and tossed the gun within a second of being shot.
What would you guys have had that cop do? Should he have waited to see if the kid shot at him first?
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We have the luxury of armchair quarterbacking this. That cop didn't.
I don't want to see anybody killed, certainly not a 13 year old fucking child. But at least debate the facts.
What do you believe you'd have done if you were in the cops position? What if you were in the kids position?
he threw 'em for a loop by complying, and they shot him anyways.
Because "waiting to see if the kid complied by putting his hands up AS DIRECTED" is not an option.
Obviously.
"He had to kill him he had no other option" is nonsense. There are about 100 other options.
Gimme a break. White people with guns are very rarely treated like this. It is entirely a double standard. And he got shot when he didn't have a gun.
But he was inagang™, hehadagun™. All very well established techniques to absolve you from giving a shit when it comes to black kids.
Look up the name Chandler Pappas. That guy spent all summer waving around guns right in front of cops while having several warrants out on him for all kinds of gun related shit AND domestic abuse. 5 years of that shit before he finally got to the point that they just couldn't ignore him. This kid got a few seconds of leeway and got shot, not arrested.
if only there were a system where people accused of crimes could be evaluated based on evidence against them, then punished if said evidence proved their guilt.
This country is so down the hole of "this person sure looks like a bunch of things that threaten me, it's okay to kill them" it's insane.
thug
gang member
hadagun
superpredator
welfare queen
All this shit very specifically used so that white people can absolve any feeling of concern, ignore reality and go back to eating their food and fawning over golf clubs.
He got shot for precrime and 'complying' and it's okay because he fits a trope.
Not chased the kid, returned to my precinct and tendered my resignation because I refuse to be part of an enforcement arm for a white supremacist capitalist empire that subsists on oppression. Then I'd make a list of all the violent assholes I work with and that I've covered for for years and hand over all information to the US justice department to start a paper trail.
Then see if I could get a job with the innocence project or something cool because being a former cop, I care about law and justice.
It must be so weird to live in other countries where cops don't instigate eventual murders by chasing around people with guns pointed at them. I mean they obviously can't have laws because this is the only way to do it. Must be so weird. No laws and stuff.
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Fixed that for you.
1. The facts of this matter don't magically disappear because he was black and 13 years old.
2. I give a shit, and I'm trying to show a different perspective.
If the cop would have hesitated another second this might not have happened. 100% agree with that.
But if that kid had, in that ONE MORE second of delay, shot his gun and killed the officer, what would you say to that? "Serves the pig right!" maybe? No? You'd be as outraged as you are now?
Chandler Pappas seems like a piece of shit. I wasn't familiar with him before now. Yea, he seems to be inviting a justified shooting too. Put him in a dark alley at 3 am and not complying and he just may finally get it.
Maybe they should have sent a guidance counselor to intervene for the 3am shots fired call.
I think anybody loses his expectation of the benefit of the doubt when he's caught armed after a shooting.
Fun fact, this happened in my old neighborhood, I lived just a few blocks away when I was a kid.
Got it. Thanks for a semi-sincere reply.
I think police have really difficult jobs, that get more difficult all the time. And I know there are more good cops than bad, but there are bad cops. I know there are more good citizens that bad, but I also know there are bad citizens.
I mean, it's pretty easy for us to have our opinions from where we sit, versus the near west side.
edit: what's the answer? disarm police? not pursue suspects of violent crimes?
Buffalo police officers resign from unit in protest of suspended colleagues who shoved man, 75, to ground
Video shows one or two officers appearing to push Martin Gugino, 75, who stumbles backward and falls to the ground. Seconds later, a pool of blood can be seen near his head.
so you prove my point? there are bad cops?
I agree. And one indisputable fact is that the cop would not have been shot because the kid did not have a gun in his hand. Add "anymore" to that sentence if you need to but it doesn't change that fact. Fantasy land of 'what could have happened' is not how law works for a reason. And it's not up to the street level agents of that law to decide to change that process. I COULD do something tomorrow but that doesn't mean I get arrested or shot today. The cop created that situation. You can't ignore that. Don't want to live by maybes when guns are involved? Don't chase the kid into an alley, call for backup and find him and surround him. But you can't say he was going to get shot because he wasn't. Maybe is irrelevant. Don't give orders if the penalty for following them is death.
They have impossible jobs. They're trained to think every single interaction is a danger to their lives, are tasked with initiating those interactions, and so of course you get this inevitable result. I'm not even talking about he racist roid ragers that gravitate towards those jobs because it give them power, I'm talking about a deeply flawed system that was rotten from the start. Slave patrols and union busting teams. That's how they started and in most cases, that's how they continue, just in different forms. And the impunity they're granted to do whatever the fuck they want is a failed system.
Like I allude above, it's not about the individual. It's a structurally flawed institution. Yes it also attracts assholes but your 'good cops' are the same ones that end up being silent and covering for the evils of the institution. The 'bad cop' is the bad system. They're set up to fail. That's why they're so damn secretive and protective. Because "just doin muh job" is kinda true. The job itself is poison. At a certain point, the individual is irrelevant.
We spend billions (maybe more with state/city paid settlements) in this country on policing. We're stuck in a cycle of 'throw more money at them for reform' and it never works. Sure keep detectives and inspectors around to you know.....actually solve crimes. But cops aren't required to engage criminals, you know that right? We don't even hold them to the job we pay them to do. What they decide to do or not do is entirely discretionary. And that is why they go after poor people who can't fight back, and why they create the tropes I listed above. They protect a facade, not people.
The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law
To Protect and to Serve” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us.
www.barneslawllp.com
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Respectful and strongly disagree.
Oh so the kid went and found the cop and said "let's go guy!"
The cop entirely created the interaction between the cop and kid. Yes, that is the truth. Cops chasing people with guns is not a given, you just take it as the only way things work.
And it still doesn't change the fact that he killed a kid for following orders.
Speaking of my double standard regarding race.....
white guy trying to kill a cop, not shot
black guy doing literally nothing, with cop absolutely initiating interaction for no reason
white guy literally shooting shotgun in public, taken quietly (eventually)
Here's a good read
Maybe America Is Racist
A few years ago, while covering a story on Republican New Hampshire legislator Werner Horn, I summoned the best and brightest scholars that America had to offer. Horn, who represents his 95.9 percent white hometown in his state’s House of Representatives, confounded people who actually know...
www.theroot.com
Get past the title and click some of the references. This isn't about feelings.
Holy. Fuck.We spend trillions in this country on policing. We're stuck in a cycle of 'throw more money at them for reform' and it never works. Sure keep detectives and inspectors around to you know.....actually solve crimes. But cops aren't required to engage criminals, you know that right? We don't even hold them to the job we pay them to do. What they decide to do or not do is entirely discretionary. And that is why they go after poor people who can't fight back, and why they create the tropes I listed above. They protect a facade, not people.
The Police are Not Required to Protect You — Barnes Law
To Protect and to Serve” – the ubiquitous creed emblazoned across millions of police cars throughout Los Angeles and indeed the United States. This motto is consistent with the common belief that police officers as well as other law enforcement officers are here to protect us.
What is the point of a court order if there is no real way to enforce them?
Nah, too dangerous, not gonna take that call....
They only reacted, when the dude came to them shooting up their cop shop with his dead daughters in the trunk of his car outside.
Seriously, WTF?
I got nothing - really - absolutely nothing. Just. Fucking. Gobsmacked.
The whole rest of the unit resigned from their group in protest, in an act of solidarity to the assholes that shoved the elderly man to the ground and marched on by him.
Where are the good cops there?