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eric strt6

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Westy

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kidwoo said:
"crime wave"

www.latimes.com

Retailers say thefts are at crisis level. The numbers say otherwise

Industry groups and politicians are sounding alarms over the thefts. But in some cases, the statistics they cite are inflated or flat-out wrong.
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While I don't doubt the numbers haven't increased shoplifting has been so endemic around here for years that it isn't uncommon to be standing in the checkout line and seeing someone walk out of the store with an armful of shit without paying while an employee fecklessly asks them to stop. The result is that pretty much everything of value in stores around here gets locked up, and with an employee shortage it means it will take at least 20 minutes to find someone to unlock a display so I can buy something as simple as a box of razor blades. It has become such a pain in the ass that I pretty much just mail order anything that I can't get from the mom and pop grocery or hardware store around the corner and I buy my liquor by the shopping cart full as it is typically is a 30 minute ordeal.
 
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Westy said:
shoplifting has been so endemic around here for years
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Right. Cities.

My bigger point is that cops, retailer and business associations are creating a fiction right now. Like you say, it's not new. It's propaganda. A response to sensitive little children in police departments getting their feelings hurt last year, and a media mechanism too fucking lazy to check into it, so they just carry the water. I literally called this out when the police unions started throwing tantrums last summer. They're fabricating a narrative. Not that "stealing doesn't exist" but that this is somehow an increase into something new or unprecedented. The more of these you look at, the more you can discover that they're actually just lying about any relative comparison to any recent period.
 
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Right. Cities.

My bigger point is that cops, retailer and business associations are creating a fiction right now. Like you say, it's not new. It's propaganda. A response to sensitive little children in police departments getting their feelings hurt last year, and a media mechanism too fucking lazy to check into it, so they just carry the water. I literally called this out when the police unions started throwing tantrums last summer. They're fabricating a narrative. Not that "stealing doesn't exist" but that this is somehow an increase into something new or unprecedented. The more of these you look at, the more you can discover that they're actually just lying about any relative comparison to any recent period.
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Yeah that is definitely part of it. SPD has been throwing temper tantrums because of being "defunded", while realistically their surplus was removed. There are areas of downtown that have gotten really bad, and if you are getting assaulted and call 911, you will be told by the SPD dispatch "we chose not to respond". The progressive agenda in Seattle is pretty much dead as a result. City council is just playing chicken with the SPD and losing because they are ineffectual. While trying to remove responsibility from the SPD the failed to provide any alternatives. So the cops can sit back and let chaos reign and people are getting pissed. We recently elected a conservative mayor and an actual republican city attorney. The only attempt to remove responsibility of the SPD was transferring ownership of land in front of the courthouse to the county so the Sherriff's office can patrol it. Things got so bad in the area that court had to hire private security to escort employees and jurors so they could safely enter the courthouse.
 
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The only attempt to remove responsibility of the SPD was transferring ownership of land in front of the courthouse to the county so the Sherriff's office can patrol it.
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That's fucking insane. Last year convinced me of something: no one in this country with any authority to do anything functional is capable of accomplishing anything.

Cops are literally an autonomous gang at this point. That for some reason we pay.
 
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That's fucking insane. Last year convinced me of something: no one in this country with any authority to do anything functional is capable of accomplishing anything.

Cops are literally an autonomous gang at this point. That for some reason we pay.
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It's all OK because all the bad stuff is happening in poor neighborhoods, wait until a pretty blond girl goes missing.
 
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Why Cops, paid by the public to supposedly protect the public, are chasing down and murdering shoplifters is beyond me. Mall security should be doing that...

Which reminds me of this gem from the wayback machine...

Shrine of the Mall Ninja – LonelyMachines

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Was sitting outside a store recently while waiting on the GF xmas shopping, chatting with a local cop actually patrolling the mall.

Security no longer engages they are just a presence patrol, cops are now the tacklers and they determine on the spot if the stolen loot is worth chasing or not.
 
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Stolen loot = property of the store. Unless the thief is a known criminal or a forcible crime is committed during the theft, there is typically no reason that a publicly paid LEO should be chasing down the property of a private entity such as a store.

Not to mention murdering the subject of the chase.
 
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Westy said:
When you have to codify that cops can't be violent assholes, but they only know how to be violent assholes, they do nothing.


www.seattletimes.com

‘He was just slowly dying’: Crisis in a parking lot reveals Washington state law's unintended consequences

A new Washington state law that set standards for use of force by police has sown confusion among officers responding to mental health calls. One emergency in the parking lot of a Rite Aid parking lot in Mill Creek shows...
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Had it been a few weeks earlier, police might well have removed Schirmer from his vehicle and done just that. But now officers had a new law to consider.


...HCA officials said it isn’t yet clear if HB 1310 played a role,



I would like to call the SPD on that moron who wrote that, to report a black man waving a gun and acting suspiciously. That's some cop apologist bullshit. For exactly the reason you stated. Yeah man, it ain't the law, it's lazy ass cops.
 
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Had it been a few weeks earlier, police might well have removed Schirmer from his vehicle and done just that. But now officers had a new law to consider.


...HCA officials said it isn’t yet clear if HB 1310 played a role,



I would like to call the SPD on that moron who wrote that, to report a black man waving a gun and acting suspiciously. That's some cop apologist bullshit. For exactly the reason you stated. Yeah man, it ain't the law, it's lazy ass cops.
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Yeah this isn't the law making their jobs impossible, once again this is the police throwing a temper tantrum and refusing to do anything when they aren't allowed to do whatever they want. It is almost like walking away from a situation that isn't worth escalating is impossible.
 
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Yeah this isn't the law making their jobs impossible, once again this is the police throwing a temper tantrum and refusing to do anything when they aren't allowed to do whatever they want. It is almost like walking away from a situation that isn't worth escalating is impossible.
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I'll never forget that night last year when SPD had their budget ever so slightly reduced and they spent the evening just driving around blaring sirens with their seizure lights on full blast annoying the shit out of the entire city.

Children.

Anyway. I'm sorry if that was someone you knew. Sounds like quite a tailspin.
 
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kidwoo said:
Right. Cities.

My bigger point is that cops, retailer and business associations are creating a fiction right now. Like you say, it's not new. It's propaganda. A response to sensitive little children in police departments getting their feelings hurt last year, and a media mechanism too fucking lazy to check into it, so they just carry the water. I literally called this out when the police unions started throwing tantrums last summer. They're fabricating a narrative. Not that "stealing doesn't exist" but that this is somehow an increase into something new or unprecedented. The more of these you look at, the more you can discover that they're actually just lying about any relative comparison to any recent period.
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Nice. Start your post about the need for better reporting on statistics by using a poorly informed trope. :rolleyes:

From Canada, but I'll let you do your own research:

Statistics Canada said:
Police services serving a mostly rural population served 16% of the population in the provinces in 2017, but reported 23% of violent crimes, 17% of property crimes, 27% of Criminal Code traffic offences, and 23% of other Criminal Code violations
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You see this?

www.seattletimes.com

Seattle police faked radio chatter about Proud Boys at key moment in 2020 protests, investigation finds

At a crucial moment during 2020’s racial justice protests, Seattle police exchanged a detailed series of fake radio transmissions about a nonexistent group of menacing right-wing extremists.
www.seattletimes.com www.seattletimes.com

I few seattle-ites I follow have been talking about this every since it happened. I always knew there was more to the story behind how those kids got shot. Glad to see it finally get verified and get some coverage.
 
Westy

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kidwoo said:
@Westy

You see this?

www.seattletimes.com

Seattle police faked radio chatter about Proud Boys at key moment in 2020 protests, investigation finds

At a crucial moment during 2020’s racial justice protests, Seattle police exchanged a detailed series of fake radio transmissions about a nonexistent group of menacing right-wing extremists.
www.seattletimes.com www.seattletimes.com

I few seattle-ites I follow have been talking about this every since it happened. I always knew there was more to the story behind how those kids got shot. Glad to see it finally get verified and get some coverage.
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I assume they though people would panic and freak out like rubes hearing rumors of busloads of ANTIFA
 
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I loved this part:

they’ll reach out to a U.S. police contact and say, “Hey, listen, uh, we're looking for a fugitive and his name is Joe Chen. And we think he might be in your state.” U.S. cops will help, he said, because they generally think any foreign counterparts are just like them—“on the up and up. They have no reason to believe otherwise.”
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