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JohnE

JohnE

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Cameras are good, but they will only make the honest more honest. There are dirtbags out there who will find work arounds, just like the stoner kid at the 7-11 who finds a way around the cameras there.

It is a drag that the hiring and training standards for Cops vary so wildly throughout the country. Academies are not mandatory, nor are background checks and your IQ can be too high to wear a badge. If some yokel mayor wants to throw a badge at you and call you a Cop, thats about all it takes. Training and certification only serves to lower the liability of the entity that has deputized you...
 
syadasti

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Make the video mandatory, 24x7 with a read only format that can only be deleted after the mandated archive date period. You could also throw in mandated random review for performance/evaluation reasons. Many professionals already have this on their communications with the public, legal, and other related functions such as SOX, SEC/NASD, HIPAA, GLBA.

The Rialto study began in February 2012 and will run until this July. The results from the first 12 months are striking. Even with only half of the 54 uniformed patrol officers wearing cameras at any given time, the department over all had an 88 percent decline in the number of complaints filed against officers, compared with the 12 months before the study, to 3 from 24.

Rialto’s police officers also used force nearly 60 percent less often — in 25 instances, compared with 61. When force was used, it was twice as likely to have been applied by the officers who weren’t wearing cameras during that shift, the study found. And, lest skeptics think that the officers with cameras are selective about which encounters they record, Mr. Farrar noted that those officers who apply force while wearing a camera have always captured the incident on video.
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syadasti

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Secret Squirrel said:
^^ Does that article mention injury to officer data? (increase, decline, status quo?)
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No. Also now that the technology is here, if they are required in patrol cars, there is no good reason not to require them on the person. You could make them part of a helpful Google Glass LEO edition glasses with augmented reality, data feed to/from dispatch, cloud based services, community citizen/public records monitoring program, etc...
 
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syadasti

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JohnE said:
Would be interesting to hear the frothers froth about being surveilled constantly by the PoPo...
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They've been doing it for decades in their patrol cars, technology gets cheaper and more portable.

If you read the article you would've known the ACLU likes it:

But what about the privacy implications? Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst at the American Civil Liberties Union, says: “We don’t like the networks of police-run video cameras that are being set up in an increasing number of cities. We don’t think the government should be watching over the population en masse.” But requiring police officers to wear video cameras is different, he says: “When it comes to the citizenry watching the government, we like that.”

Mr. Stanley says that all parties stand to benefit — the public is protected from police misconduct, and officers are protected from bogus complaints. “There are many police officers who’ve had a cloud fall over them because of an unfounded accusation of abuse,” he said. “Now police officers won’t have to worry so much about that kind of thing.”
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Secret Squirrel

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syadasti said:
No. It would be interesting to see what the data showed if they had the stats.

Also now that the technology is here, if they are required in patrol cars, there is no good reason not to require them on the person. You could make them part of a helpful Google Glass LEO edition glasses with augmented reality, data feed to/from dispatch, cloud based services, community citizen/public records monitoring program, etc...
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And having integrated glasses would be awesome!!
 
JohnE

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Front Range, dude...
syadasti said:
If you read the article...
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Oh please...this is the Monkey. Who reads?

So the citiznery can monitor the gubbmint, but the gubbmint cant monitor the citizenry? Hmmm...

I have been dealing with dash cams for a long time now...we had them in 2000 and they were a pain then. Even then I had people complaining about unlawful/unauthorized surveillance. But if they keep Cops straight and people a little more honest, thats a good thing.

Will be interesting to see how far the new tech takes this. Glad I am out of this end of the business...
 
jimmydean

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syadasti said:
No. Also now that the technology is here, if they are required in patrol cars, there is no good reason not to require them on the person. You could make them part of a helpful Google Glass LEO edition glasses with augmented reality, data feed to/from dispatch, cloud based services, community citizen/public records monitoring program, etc...
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Been there, made reality TV.

http://www.trutv.com/shows/police-pov/index.html
 
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dan-o

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323848804578608040780519904.html
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I LOL when I see my buddy or any of the other local Barney's loading their M4s into the trunk of the patrol cars here. We live in a 4sq/mi town that only has 3 roads in/out (due to being a peninsula) and is off the beaten path. I don't lock my house (although I do have two german shepherds at home) and leave the windows down/keys on floorboard whenever I'm running about town. Other than the occasional break-in from adventurous bostonians and the not-so-occasional DUI of the locals, it's a quiet place.

To their credit, they've recently started to return to the Mayberry approach of community awareness.
Stripped the black out tint from the patrol cars, busted out the MTB/foot/moto patrols, stopped wearing tact gear regularly etc but they were caught up on the Bin Laden behind every mailbox mentality for a decade or so.
 
jonKranked

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JohnE said:
Oh please...this is the Monkey. Who reads?

So the citiznery can monitor the gubbmint, but the gubbmint cant monitor the citizenry? Hmmm...

I have been dealing with dash cams for a long time now...we had them in 2000 and they were a pain then. Even then I had people complaining about unlawful/unauthorized surveillance. But if they keep Cops straight and people a little more honest, thats a good thing.

Will be interesting to see how far the new tech takes this. Glad I am out of this end of the business...
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who watches the watchmen?
 
DaveW

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$tinkle said:
buddy of mine who drives one of the city's lenco bearcats is supposed to come over tonight.
shall discuss
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WTF?!?!?!
Why does NASA need a swat team?

A number of federal agencies also now have their own SWAT teams, including the Fish & Wildlife Service, NASA and the Department of the Interior. In 2011, the Department of Education's SWAT team bungled a raid on a woman who was initially reported to be under investigation for not paying her student loans, though the agency later said she was suspected of defrauding the federal student loan program.
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JohnE

JohnE

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Front Range, dude...
"...they tend to attract recruits for the wrong reasons..." Reason #47 I have moved on in my life. Too many small peckers out there trying to be the neighborhood badass.
 
$tinkle

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syadasti said:
Detroit Police Piss on Constitution, lock up news photographer with suspect
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Wright, 47, has accused the police of wrongfully confiscating her iPhone and briefly leaving her locked up alone with the suspect she filmed being arrested. She has also asserted that the memory card from her newspaper-issued cell phone camera went missing after an officer wrestled the device away from her, according to the Free Press.

Missing - along with a satisfactory explanation - was Wright’s SIM card, which stores files on a cell phone. The video was preserved on Wright’s iPhone's internal memory.
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:think:
 
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