El Jefe on a scream...
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Actually i had the Rissee Jupiter7. Its sort of similar to the El Jefe (i think). Any remote res shock can fit.... I had a little trouble with routing of the hose at first, but then got it shortened up and it worked well. Everyone will say the avy is the best... but theres lots of opinions on that.
For me the Risse was a great upgrade. I was able to drop 100 pounds of the spring compared to the fox RC i had stock. The shock held up really well for the year i used it (i still have it, although i sold the scream frame).
It really depends what you can afford, and what service you can get in sweden. Since AVY's are supposed to be able to be fixed in any moto shop, it may be a smarter choice? I'm not sure if the El Jefe, or Risse can be serviced like the AVY.
For me the Risse was a great upgrade. I was able to drop 100 pounds of the spring compared to the fox RC i had stock. The shock held up really well for the year i used it (i still have it, although i sold the scream frame).
It really depends what you can afford, and what service you can get in sweden. Since AVY's are supposed to be able to be fixed in any moto shop, it may be a smarter choice? I'm not sure if the El Jefe, or Risse can be serviced like the AVY.
Go for the Avy...you will not regret it !
a photo of the risse.....
Out of all three...Avy and El Jefe can be serviced by many places...Risse, I highly doubt it.
ChrisRobin said:
unless they did something really new with the jupiter 7, then it should be very similar to a fox, i wouldnt think there should be a problem servicing a risse if you can find a place that does fox, or at a friendly moto shop.
i have the risse j7 on my armageddon and its transformed the bike. I love it , i highly recommend this shock and for sure it can be serviced at any moto shop.
dropthebreak said:
Do you have some pics ?? I run an Army too...always nice with some pics
the stratos El Jefe is one of the most servicable shock considering all the seals and internals are moto parts!
You can even do it yourself...they'll walk you through it if you don't want the down time.mack said:stratos shocks can be serviced? your kidding!
no...let's not.mack said:
Kaviar said:
kalle, the major differences are actually quite small, avy uses a 1/2" shaft and stratos a 13mm, the piston diameter is very similar, the biggest difference is probably in the valving but thats always something a suspension tuner can work on. the compression clicker is easier to use on the jefe, oh and if im not mistaken stratos put some form of mechanical topout aid in there.
ohio indicated that the El Jefe comes with instructions on how to disassemble your shock and muck about with it yourself, which is pretty cool in my opinion. User adjustable shim stacks !
I'm sure Craig would have an aneurysm if you told him you disassembled your Avalanche and fooled with his shim stacks in your basement.
I'm sure Craig would have an aneurysm if you told him you disassembled your Avalanche and fooled with his shim stacks in your basement.
Kaviar said:
I am quite sure it can handle both !
I'm sure Craig would have an aneurysm if you told him you disassembled your Avalanche and fooled with his shim stacks in your basement.[/QUOTE]
I've found an el jefe from a gemini now.
But the scream has very different leverage ratio compared to gemini. What should I think about in this case? Changing the spring? I've been riding hardtail before this bike so I'm a newbie when it comes to rearshocks.
I've found this from another thread:
"Extrovert -- I think you're trying to over-simplify things. Basically the #1 thing you should look at is the leverage ratio of your bike. For example:
Cannondale Gemini DH -- 2.3:1 ratio, singlepivot. Good
Banshee Scream -- 3.6:1 ratio, 4-bar (multi pivot). Not as good.
The weight spring you need is ENTIRELY dependent on your leverage ratio. Because Avalanche springs are not available in super-high spring rates, you can't really use them on super-high leverage bikes (as you understand).
Don't blindly focus on info like number of pivots and 600lb springs, because depending on what frame you get, those two pieces of info may be completely unrelated to what you need."
But the scream has very different leverage ratio compared to gemini. What should I think about in this case? Changing the spring? I've been riding hardtail before this bike so I'm a newbie when it comes to rearshocks.
I've found this from another thread:
"Extrovert -- I think you're trying to over-simplify things. Basically the #1 thing you should look at is the leverage ratio of your bike. For example:
Cannondale Gemini DH -- 2.3:1 ratio, singlepivot. Good
Banshee Scream -- 3.6:1 ratio, 4-bar (multi pivot). Not as good.
The weight spring you need is ENTIRELY dependent on your leverage ratio. Because Avalanche springs are not available in super-high spring rates, you can't really use them on super-high leverage bikes (as you understand).
Don't blindly focus on info like number of pivots and 600lb springs, because depending on what frame you get, those two pieces of info may be completely unrelated to what you need."
Yes, you will need a much heavier spring than was used on the Gemini. Banshee can likely recommend the proper weight.
As for valving... if the shock was custom valved for the Gemini, you will need to change that too...a moto shop can help you with that. If it wasn't custom valved, the stock valving will be *okay* but it's still worthwhile IMO to have it revalved for your high-leverage rising rate.
As for valving... if the shock was custom valved for the Gemini, you will need to change that too...a moto shop can help you with that. If it wasn't custom valved, the stock valving will be *okay* but it's still worthwhile IMO to have it revalved for your high-leverage rising rate.
seismic said:
[/QUOTE]I am getting a headache as we speak
, no seriously we are working on a user manual like our fork manual that details how to revalve our shock, service and a list of available parts to repair or reconfigure the shock for a different frame .Also we are running a sale on our DHS shocks until the end of the year, if this helps.
Craig Seekins said:
I am getting a headache as we speak
, no seriously we are working on a user manual like our fork manual that details how to revalve our shock, service and a list of available parts to repair or reconfigure the shock for a different frame .Also we are running a sale on our DHS shocks until the end of the year, if this helps.[/QUOTE]
I wish I had a bike where I could put several DHS shocks on !!! That would be the ultimate Avalanche-pimp-mobile...and the one more MTN-8 in the front !!!
I still don't understand why everyone feels they need to run the Scream in the 8" setting when the 7" setting yields a plusher ratio and slacker head angle. If that's not plush or stable enough for you at speed or on steeps, just drop the rear wheel into the longest wheelbase setting.Kaviar said:
dude, you should be asking all these questions directly to stratos, they are real easy to work with and they always get back to me in no time. Very good company with some of the best suspension components antwhere.