I'm kind of liking the position they are currently in... they're pretty much fucked as a party no matter what they do. 
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I'm kind of liking the position they are currently in... they're pretty much fucked as a party no matter what they do.
But they are choosing the scarier direction.
just wait until donnie 2 scoops announces his own party.Which, I suspect, will be the "more fucked" direction. Which will be... a shame.
Good. Split the Republican vote.
A viable 3rd party in the US might make things work a little better if it wasn't Nazi Party mk2...
Yes - he can solidify the Crazy Motherfucker block.
I'm still holding out for the Patriot Party because that sounds awesome.
www.cnn.com
In the Republican Party, the post-Trump era lasted a week
Two roads diverged in American politics, and the Republican Party chose the one traveled by disgraced ex-President Donald Trump and QAnon conspiracy theorists.
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this is what Le Front National is in France. But... their system of elections is significantly different from the US', with the notion of "tours" and needing an absolute majority to win outright. This allows people to vote for their preferred option in the first round, and if that doesn't work out, then vote strategically in the second round. I think it's a decent system.
How would having a third party work in the US context. There must be historical examples?
ranked voting?
it doesn't. the DNC and RNC are as much businesses as they are political orgs.
the last time i can think of there was a 3rd party candidate taken seriously (and included in national debates - including what i believe was the only time ever there was a national presidential debate with 3 candidates from 3 parties) was ross perot in 1992.
Sounds a bit like ranked voting that some states have for certain elections.
I could be wrong, but historically if there is a viable third party candidate for a national office it tends to split one of the primary party's vote, enabling the other primary party to walk away with the win. So like @jonKranked just said "it doesn't" work. I also can't remember a third party candidate for a national position other than Perot. I personally think the entire election system needs an overhaul, specifically to enable multiple parties to exist and be viable. So yeah, ranked voting or some other system.
As I understand it, it's not quite ranked voting, where you'd place your preferred selection in order, and then if not one gets an outright majority they go to the person with the most second place ranks etc. In France, again - as I understand it, if no one gets an outright majority, there is a second voting day with only the top two vote-getters on the ballot.
Top results from a quick Google search:
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newrepublic.com
The New Republic article answers my question... the last time a third party became a major party was when the Republican party replaced the Whigs between 1854 and 1860... so it's been a while.
Third Parties in the U.S. Political Process
The U.S. is home to more than 54 political parties, but only two parties -- the Democrats and Republicans -- dominate the modern American political process.
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Why America Is Stuck With Only Two Parties
If the United States ever gets a major new political party, it won’t be built by think tank denizens.
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The New Republic article answers my question... the last time a third party became a major party was when the Republican party replaced the Whigs between 1854 and 1860... so it's been a while.
This is how Georgia works, and maybe some other states? If no one gets the full 50% required, the top two go into sudden death overtime.
Why Georgia has runoff elections
Racist lawmakers built Georgia’s election system, and now it’s affecting the balance of the Senate.
Crazy. what a fucked up legacy your country has to deal with...This is how Georgia works, and maybe some other states? If no one gets the full 50% required, the top two go into sudden death overtime.
The article also asserts that this was instituted to suppress the votes of black voters, which isn't surprising. But also now-a-days, would it be a better system? Should more states consider it? Would it allow for more viable third party candidates?Why Georgia has runoff elections
Racist lawmakers built Georgia’s election system, and now it’s affecting the balance of the Senate.www.vox.com
"Legacy"... heh. You Canadians are cute in your naivete.
Down here at the presidential level you have to reach 50%+1 votes, or a 10-point differential with the second place. If none of those conditions are met, the two most voted candidates go to a ballottage, or second chance. At that stage, the one with more votes wins.
Until pretty recently (~20 years ago) we had the same fucked up electoral college system you guys are suffering now.
We have a multi-party democracy thought, so it all kinda makes sense. On the last presidential election (2019) we had seven different candidates.
I still remember when my civics instruction teacher back in the first year of high school would praise the north american bipartisan system as "the pinnacle of democracy"...
Until pretty recently (~20 years ago) we had the same fucked up electoral college system you guys are suffering now.
We have a multi-party democracy thought, so it all kinda makes sense. On the last presidential election (2019) we had seven different candidates.
I still remember when my civics instruction teacher back in the first year of high school would praise the north american bipartisan system as "the pinnacle of democracy"
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We need to get rid of the party based primary system which typically benefits those who are more partisan.
What would you propose as an alternative mechanism?
Non partisan primaries. All primary contenders run in the same race. This is how Washington State elections work. Top two move on to the final round. Parties are not officially recognized. in theory you get a winner who representatives the average instead of the left or the right.
We have open party elections six months before the elective polls (I think the equivalent in the US are the primaries). They are mandatory and anyone can vote for any pre-candidate, from any party. The official candidates for each party are chosen that way and then they have six months to campaign for the final election which consagrates all the elective charges. This final election is also mandatory.
I think the worst aspects of the american elective system are the lack of mandatory voting, the need to register to vote, and the fact elections are celebrated on a work day. It's clearly a way to discriminate the lower classes.
Don't get me started on the original creation of fucking population-free states so that the Republican party (at the time) could basically pack the Senate. I mean - North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming should be ONE state, with two Senators for the whole fucking place.
Our country is a built upon a throne of bullshit.
Montana is a real place with people and cities. Wyoming is just Jackson/Disneyland and some fracking fields.Don't get me started on the original creation of fucking population-free states so that the Republican party (at the time) could basically pack the Senate. I mean - North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming should be ONE state, with two Senators for the whole fucking place.
Our country is a built upon a throne of bullshit.
Still not sure what a Dakota or an eastern Montana is.
MMP seems to be working pretty well for us down here same as in Germany.
You get a more representative government where the shitfuckery we see in the USA is more difficult to push through.
Plus religious intolerance and dinosaursOur country is a built upon a throne of bullshit.
Okay, here's a thing. We have these here two parties that represent barely half of the registered voters. From a gallup poll in 12/2020, 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, 25% identified as Republican, and 41% as Independent.
Something to think about when party groups are polled about their feelings about this, that, or the other thing. That percentage hangs pretty old-man's balls low and not really an accurate representation of half of a voting population. More like a quarter. (I realize I am being a little liberal with my math here)
But to Westy's point, nonpartisan primaries should be mandatory in all 50 (52, if you're ODB) states, but they ain't. Independents, and there are a lot of us, I assume a lot you folks are, have very little say up front, where it counts.
Something to think about when party groups are polled about their feelings about this, that, or the other thing. That percentage hangs pretty old-man's balls low and not really an accurate representation of half of a voting population. More like a quarter. (I realize I am being a little liberal with my math here)
But to Westy's point, nonpartisan primaries should be mandatory in all 50 (52, if you're ODB) states, but they ain't. Independents, and there are a lot of us, I assume a lot you folks are, have very little say up front, where it counts.
District by district voting patterns. My district did its part: +64 Biden.
An Extremely Detailed Map of the 2020 Election (Published 2021)
An interactive map that lets readers explore in new detail how most states voted in the 2020 presidential election.
www.nytimes.com
District by district voting patterns. My district did its part: +64 Biden.
An Extremely Detailed Map of the 2020 Election (Published 2021)
An interactive map that lets readers explore in new detail how most states voted in the 2020 presidential election.www.nytimes.com
"So much more red, proof of fraud!" -things dumb people are saying
+92 in my hood. Even the block just south of me with the big retirement home was +88.
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Wow, way to go COS........District by district voting patterns. My district did its part: +64 Biden.
An Extremely Detailed Map of the 2020 Election (Published 2021)
An interactive map that lets readers explore in new detail how most states voted in the 2020 presidential election.www.nytimes.com
A lot sure has changed here in the last 10 years. Now if we could just get rid of Doug Lamborn.
Me and @boostindoubles over here keeping you filthy socialists honest.
my neighborhood is apparently a liberal oasis, only +18 Trump amidst a sea of +33 Trump neighborhoods.
my neighborhood is apparently a liberal oasis, only +18 Trump amidst a sea of +33 Trump neighborhoods.
My hood still +6 trump
Interesting to see the light red on the Kansas side of North Table. S and I always remarked riding through there pre-election it was the only real "area" we'd see multiple signs supporting mango.District by district voting patterns. My district did its part: +64 Biden.
An Extremely Detailed Map of the 2020 Election (Published 2021)
An interactive map that lets readers explore in new detail how most states voted in the 2020 presidential election.www.nytimes.com
It is interesting to compare areas that don't align with the surroundings to the racial dot map. There is a bright red spot in NYC (South Williamsburg) that aligns with an exclusively white(blue) blob in an otherwise diverse area.
I believe there is a dense population of Hasidic Jews there.
You see the opposite effect on the East (hispanic) side of Yakima.
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Biden 73%
Islands of blue
Islands of blue
Heh. With the number of Trump and thin-blue-line flags around here... guess it's not surprising: Trump +0.1District by district voting patterns. My district did its part: +64 Biden.
An Extremely Detailed Map of the 2020 Election (Published 2021)
An interactive map that lets readers explore in new detail how most states voted in the 2020 presidential election.www.nytimes.com
Is that where they control the fire starting space lasers?
Will have to see if any space laser fires were started on the sabbath.