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Pesqueeb

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jonKranked said:
as i stated in pawn, this is probably the most disappointing aspect of all this.
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Adventurous said:
This. 100%.

I can understand holding different values and viewpoints. I can also understand how there may be different paths leading towards the same goal.

What I can't understand is half of the country supporting a reprehensible individual and party that have demonstrated outward contempt for marginalized groups, the LGBTQ community, minorities, even basic human empathy. They push a message of hatred and exclusion, often to the detriment to their own. They are led by someone who has no demonstrated leadership skills, acumen in anything really, displays an offensive resistance to logic and science, and is generally just an embarrassment to the United States, the fragile idea of democracy, and humanity as a whole.
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slimshady said:
The same happened down here -with obvious local variations- and in Brazil. Declassed, impovered people, speaking and taking the streets in defense of the wealthy ones, feeling part of a holy crusade to "save private propierty, the family and the true core values". Religions might have been necessary at the dawns of humanity, but today they are massive retrograde force.
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Full Trucker said:
the problem I am grappling with is that right now I pretty much mentally equate "support of Trump" to "this person is a fucking r" or at least complicit in those things. Because how the FUCK could a person morally green-light support of a person who is clearly all of those things? What political issue is SO FUCKING IMPORTANT TO YOU that you'll turn a blind eye to a bunch of morally fucking wrong shit?
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Ah....but you've hit the nail exactly on the head. To be a trump supporter is to, A: Actually be a "racist/bigot/misogynist/etc". or B: be willing to overlook those thing as a means to an end. The problem, is that you don't view the world as black/white, zero sum, the way these people do. Either with us, or against us. So why is this? How many super religious people do you know? Have you read up on the Q people?

@slimshady gets it exactly right. "Holy Crusade" is what they are on. Either for, in their minds, actual Jeebus, or the ones who have taken up the mantle of Cheeto Jeebus, you know, the giant flags on their trucks type who block the freeway. I know at least one very religious, actual "Jews for Jesus" type family that voted trump in 2016 for the sole, and exclusive reason of getting the supreme court and banning abortion. That was it. No other considerations, no other issues. I happen to think this happens WAY more than most people want to believe. I mean, seriously @Full Trucker, how many times since you've moved here has some form of abortion ban been on the ballot in CO? I'm pretty sure some form has been on every CO ballot I've filled out. Massive retrograde force, indeed. And I'd be willing to bet that there is a certain segment of 2nd Amendment enthusiasts that go down ballot (R) for almost the same reason. Never underestimate the lengths a "single issue voter" might go to to achieve the ends. Because in their minds, the ends very much justify the means.
 
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I Are Baboon

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I live in a blue town in a blue state: Democratic governor, both senators, all five congressmen, and all local officials. Over the past four years, my little blue bubble has felt like this. It'd be nice to breathe a sigh of relief.

 
Full Trucker

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kidwoo said:
www.oregonlive.com

Trump team says it’s suing to stop Pennsylvania vote count

Trump’s campaign is claiming a lack of “transparency.”
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Not PA, but hopefully telling of how any state will handle frivolous bullshit lawsuits. Fuck that guy.

thehill.com

Arizona secretary of state says Trump campaign doesn’t have legal pathway should it bring lawsuit

Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs (D) said Wednesday that the Trump campaign does not have a “legal pathway” should it look to sue the state over its vote counting.“They don’t have a leg…
thehill.com thehill.com
 
Full Trucker

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Pesqueeb said:
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Graçias.

Pesqueeb said:
Ah....but you've hit the nail exactly on the head. To be a trump supporter is to, A: Actually be a "racist/bigot/misogynist/etc". or B: be willing to overlook those thing as a means to an end. The problem, is that you don't view the world as black/white, zero sum, the way these people do. Either with us, or against us. So why is this? How many super religious people do you know? Have you read up on the Q people?

@slimshady gets it exactly right. "Holy Crusade" is what they are on. Either for, in their minds, actual Jeebus, or the ones who have taken up the mantle of Cheeto Jeebus, you know, the giant flags on their trucks type who block the freeway. I know at least one very religious, actual "Jews for Jesus" type family that voted trump in 2016 for the sole, and exclusive reason of getting the supreme court and banning abortion. That was it. No other considerations, no other issues. I happen to think this happens WAY more than most people want to believe. I mean, seriously @Full Trucker, how many times since you've moved here has some form of abortion ban been on the ballot in CO? I'm pretty sure some form has been on every CO ballot I've filled out. Massive retrograde force, indeed. And I'd be willing to bet that there is a certain segment of 2nd Amendment enthusiasts that go down ballot (R) for almost the same reason. Never underestimate the lengths a "single issue voter" might go to to achieve the ends. Because in their minds, the ends very much justify the means.
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One-issue voters, oh geez. Yeah, hailing from Indiana I've got some of these in the family. Actually though, I think only one... my uncle. And the issue is abortion... and I don't understand it because his daughter is a meth addict and has like 6 kids from 4 different men. But, to my uncle all those lives are precious I suppose. He's not even particularly religious. His wife though? Complete fucking loony toon Trumper, not just abortion but all of it hook line and sinker. And I really don't get that at all. But shit, having only 1-2 idiots in the family (that I'm aware of) and all of them being from the middle of a fucking cornfield... I'll take it.

Also, this is kind of the point I was trying to drive at in the GMT... that a bunch fo ranchers and farmers will vote ® all the way down the ballot to protect their concerns about land/property rights.
 
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Pesqueeb said:
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Ah....but you've hit the nail exactly on the head. To be a trump supporter is to, A: Actually be a "racist/bigot/misogynist/etc". or B: be willing to overlook those thing as a means to an end. The problem, is that you don't view the world as black/white, zero sum, the way these people do. Either with us, or against us. So why is this? How many super religious people do you know? Have you read up on the Q people?

@slimshady gets it exactly right. "Holy Crusade" is what they are on. Either for, in their minds, actual Jeebus, or the ones who have taken up the mantle of Cheeto Jeebus, you know, the giant flags on their trucks type who block the freeway. I know at least one very religious, actual "Jews for Jesus" type family that voted trump in 2016 for the sole, and exclusive reason of getting the supreme court and banning abortion. That was it. No other considerations, no other issues. I happen to think this happens WAY more than most people want to believe. I mean, seriously @Full Trucker, how many times since you've moved here has some form of abortion ban been on the ballot in CO? I'm pretty sure some form has been on every CO ballot I've filled out. Massive retrograde force, indeed. And I'd be willing to bet that there is a certain segment of 2nd Amendment enthusiasts that go down ballot (R) for almost the same reason. Never underestimate the lengths a "single issue voter" might go to to achieve the ends. Because in their minds, the ends very much justify the means.
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Down here our constitution doesn't warrant access to guns, so the local bigotry concentrates around the "defending the Republic" motto (which as a confessed Star Wars/Jedi fan, offends me deeply, since their ways resemble a lot more those of the Empire). Also, since some asshole back when our constitution was dictated specifically included the phrase "the Argentinian state maintains the Catholic, Apostolic religion", those same bigots feel like they have a divine mandate to oppose anything they were told the Bible opposes (and I state this because I'm sure most of these assholes also haven't been closer to a Bible than I have been to a Muslim Mezquite).

The Pentecostal Evangelist church is the beachhead of this movement in the lower income neighborhoods, with their theology of the prosperity, which states "the more you give to the church, the better you'll fare in paradise". It was founded by a rich guy from Brazil who saw the way Joseph Smith used the Mormon movement in the US to evade taxes, and decided to do the same. After buying a local television network in the 80s, he began expanding to other Latin American countries, and today has a deeper penetration in that demographics than the traditional catholic church.

It's puzzling how these people defends their right to choose, but they also become happy, chanting fanatics when their choice guarantees the suppression of some minority's rights. Any measure taken to level the field it's seen as a cut of their share, and they can't conceive how a bill warranting equality to any minority means no loss of rights to them...
 
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stevew

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I Are Baboon said:
I live in a blue town in a blue state: Democratic governor, both senators, all five congressmen, and all local officials. Over the past four years, my little blue bubble has felt like this. It'd be nice to breathe a sigh of relief.

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funny thing is.....you can feel like that wherever you live if you do not treat your politics like its your religion....

but thats just me.
 
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